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#64029 - 02/06/02 12:38 PM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
J. Larry Offline
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 521
Loc: University, MS 38677 USA
I'd like to see a quicker, easier way to EQ each ACP part, fills, intros, endings, etc., rather than each, one at a time, in the Composer. Don't I recall a screen on the 5000 where at one glance you could EQ any part of the rhythm section that would affect all similar parts within the style?

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#64030 - 02/06/02 01:56 PM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
Jazzplayer Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 8
Loc: Pennsylvania, USA
One "simple" addition to the wishlist -- do NOT remove ANY of the styles available on the 6000 -- just ADD as many new ones as possible.

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#64031 - 02/07/02 02:16 AM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
technicsplayer Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 3319
Hi J Larry,
I can't remember being able to eq each part of the composer in the 5000 in the mixer. You could pan, and switch things on or off like digital effect etc but these would have to be global values. So I don't think the 5000 had part eq available for the composer in this way. Maybe someone with a 5000 could confirm this?

I know what you mean though, because these functions are not in the composer part 6000 mixer. I suppose it is because they can be programmed independantly for each intro, variation, fill etc etc. It might be difficult to global equalise something that has already had each of 8 parts within each of 20 patterns each individually equalised. That's 160 separate parametric equalisations. And that is just one single composer!

The only way would be to apply a global math to each setting, and have a good end stop strategy to prevent overload and distortion in the digital domain. Maybe with more memory it will be possible in the next machine?

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#64032 - 02/07/02 08:10 AM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
Gunnar Jonny Online   content
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Registered: 04/01/01
Posts: 4333
Loc: Norway
First, just a little comment about the KN5000 mixer.

You can set Sound, balance PAN, set VOLUMES, set and adjust REVERB
level, set and adjust DSP effect in some DSP types, turn on off the
DIGITAL effect, select KEYSHIFT, set LOCAL on/off and set MIDI CH or
turn on/off for each part.
However, the AUTOMATIC ACCOMPANIMENT parts are limited in what part/
items that can be adjusted from here, as Alec correctly mention.
Mainly, as far as I can see, it gives you the option to adjust the
REVERB level.

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Wishlist or not. Regarding to the new KN, I wonder if the engineers
at Matsushita / Panasonic / Technics ever look in to forums like this
to see how the comments from the users are?
We know Ketron's people do, and Chris at GM, they even ask and brings
the whishes and comments to the right divisions, and we have seen real
good response, such as in Scott's chord table for Ketron.

I can't remember, even once that someone authorized from Technics have
peeked in and said hello at any forum, or am I wrong?
I guess any whishlist is a kind of waste, because the KN7k is probably
finished at the "table", and maybe some adjustments regarding to the
respond from those "big guys" who visit in Frankfurth will be done?

I remember back in late 80's, or early 90's, the dealers representative
here in this area asked us KN users to make a list about what we would
like add or change etc. for the next model, and also other dealers did
the same thing to bring to Technics at the Frankfurth stand.
I remember among a lot of things I was whishing a larger screen so I
could see more of the measures at the same time without have to "scroll"
and also that the "stars" would be real staves and notes.
Yes, the screen is bigger, but the "stars" still there

Anyway, my whishlist are changed since then, as my needs and the KN's
features also are changed.
So when the 76 keys, the "normal" compability and prised hardware such
as i.e. the HD is a fact, among with good software to edit from the PC,
a far better vocalizer and a lot of space for flashable optional styles
or pattern packages are availiable, and all my KN5000's stuff can be
transfered easily, also XLR in/outputs for the lines and mic., separate
line outputs for bass and drums regardless to the HD, the Dynamic Accomp
function brought back, usable with the composermode too, and and and...
well, then I guess I'm ready to make the next whishlist.
GJ
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#64033 - 02/07/02 08:23 AM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Here's yet another feature I'd really like to see included in the KN7000:

One thing that's always bugged me to hell (at least on my KN5000) is what a time consuming chore it is to eq the volume level of a 'specific' drumkit part (snare drum, hit hat, or ride cymbal, etc) in a composer style pattern.

For example, suppose I like the drum pattern of a style pattern I just created, but now want 'just the snare part' a little louder (forward in the mix):

Currently, I must to go into the Composer Memory's style pattern 'step record mode' and manually locate each and every occurance of the snare drum part and manually increase the volume level of every note individually (by the same amount, say +10). This can end up to be very time consuming, depending on the number of notes which have to be edited. Only after doing this am I able to re-audition the drum mix in realtime. If the mix still doesn't sound right, I have to go thru the entire lengthy editing procedure all over again.

It would be MUCH EASIER if Technics could implement a "Drumkit Editing" feature which would allow us to 'universally' change the value (increase/decrease the volume level, delete, pan, etc) of just a specified drum part. It would also be great to be able to audition the edited results in 'real time' as well.

Adding a 'drum kit specific' editor would certainly make style pattern editing much easier and more enjoyable. I hope Technics is listening. - Scott
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#64034 - 02/07/02 08:28 AM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
technicsplayer Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 3319
Hi Gunnar,
apparently they do read the forums...

Scott, just saw your point as I wrote this. On the 6 the easiest way of doing this is to put the drum track into the sequencer, edit there, then bring it back into the composer so you don't need to step edit individual notes.
Did I make it clear that that the MSA fill function is the same as fill to variation, except you press the fill and end up at the next variation, rather than press variation and automatically get a fill? but you do have another 4 fills on the way down compared to the 4 on the way up.

If you look at the history, more and more sequencer features find their way into the composer and pads with each generation. Maybe if this continues we could be lucky?

[This message has been edited by technicsplayer (edited 02-07-2002).]

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#64035 - 02/07/02 08:34 AM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
Gunnar Jonny Online   content
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Registered: 04/01/01
Posts: 4333
Loc: Norway
Oh...., have they ever said hello, here I am?
Do you have any whishes, or a problem who need
to be solved??
If so, then I have missed a important moment!
GJ
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but by how many you brought with you." (Wil Rose)

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#64036 - 02/07/02 08:41 AM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
technicsplayer Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 3319
I did say read, not reply...
you have not missed any important moments as afr as I can see!

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#64037 - 02/07/02 12:31 PM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
JvG Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 22
Loc: Holland
One ability I´d like to see most would be being able to add new samples off a disk, which both Yamaha and GEM have had for years now.

Same goes for expandability in terms of using regular computer hardware (memory, IDE drives). If they don´t have this in the new KN7000 I would really feel they are missing the boat by sticking to their proprietary stuff.

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#64038 - 02/07/02 02:52 PM Re: KN7000: Predictions & Wishlist !
Bill Norrie Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 2330
Loc: North Yorkshire UK
Hello again, I would like to add one small thing to the splendid growing wish list. We have a Panel Memory Bank Increment button but it would be nice to also have a Panel Memory Bank Decrement button as well. I know that it is possible to Inc/Dec the memory Banks by selecting the Bank View function but it requires more operations than just pressing a single button, especially if you like to play, with the normal Home screen visible.
Why do 'Half a Job' ?



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After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is Music.
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( especially when the music is played on a KN7000....)

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