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#63770 - 02/08/02 10:27 AM MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Frank Bez Offline
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Registered: 12/11/99
Posts: 260
Loc: Avila Beach, CA, U.S.A.
Dear Friends,

I’m happy to report that there are over seventy of you who have the Movie Magic files. I hope we can hear from every one of you. It would be great to know what type of music you like and how you approach playing a song. I know there are many years of experience out there that we all can benefit from. Please don’t hesitate to make suggestion about improving the songs I’ve sequenced. We will all gain from hearing your good ideas.

For those of you who are just getting to know your instruments, I suggest you load a file and then exit the sequencer page before you Press START. In that way you can watch what sounds are used and what changes are made. I’ve always noted the name of the song at the top of the page. In addition you can turn the Sequencer off to listen to variations in the Composer parts.
I’ll try to make just a few comments about each song with the hope that YOU will provide the talk about your ideas.

MOVIE MAGIC FILE 1

“Down Here On The Ground” is the haunting theme by Lalo Schifrin written for COOL HAND LUKE. I always think of Schifrin as a jazz oriented composer so I chose two Grove patterns from the KN5000 for the basis of the backing.

INTRO Since this is the first song on my CD I wanted a big Movie intro.

Panel Memory 1 The Pop Grove pattern starts with a few measures of the Samba Whistle to create a desolate feeling. This is one of hundreds of sounds you won’t find in the Music Stylist or even in Sound Explorer.
PRESS Program Menu - Sound Edit - Tone
As you can see the sounds are organized into Groups. Samba Whistle is in Group S. You can combine up to four sounds which can then be stored in Sound Memory. Always SAVE your edited sound to disk.

Panel Memory 5 The Harmonica is moved from the lead to one of the Composer parts.

This is a fairly simple arrangement giving the song some interest by changing the lead voices and bringing the song back to it’s start in the end.

MOVIE MAGIC FILE 2

I think medleys are fun, especially if you can get the titles to make a single statement. In this case, “Come Rain Or Come Shine I’m Always Chasing Rainbows”. This is also very much a statement about my philosophy. As a photographer a change in the weather always brings new opportunities. Rain Or Shine is from ST. LOUIS WOMAN.

INTRO Just the addition of the Pizzicato Strings to introduce the lead voice.

Panel Memory 1 Here is a little bit of silliness, with the Pizz lead voice playing ping pong with the Pizz in the backing. It’s important when doing this to have the two voices panned in different directions. A little of this goes a long way. The song continues with the Composer and Right Hand voices shown on the screen


Ending Finally just the addition of a Pizzicato hiccup to the stock ending.

MOVIE MAGIC FILE 3

“From Russia With Love” is the Lionel Bart song from the picture of the same name.

Panel Memory 1 I was unable to find any Style that was even close to the original sound of the song, so I simply made the Composer part. The half step progression made for some dissonant sounds in the opening of the song, but I couldn’t find a better solution without eliminating the use of the Composer for the first section of the song.

Panel Memory 2 I like the move to the Russian Dance backing because it brings a surprise to the song and makes it different than the usual interpretation of the song.

Panel Memory 3 The Bouzouki solo is borrowed from the stock Dance Performance Pad moved to the User position.

Panel Memory 4 Wrap up, with a change to a Funky Beat.

MOVIE MAGIC FILE 4

This arrangement was originally made for the F100 organ to demonstrate to those not familiar with the instrument it’s orchestral capabilities. The opening section is from the film EXPERIMENT IN TERROR. This is one of many short themes, without lyrics, that Henry Mancini wrote. I added the timpani part to Composer pattern. The main song is “Loss Of Love” from the film called SUNFLOWER which is a fairly popular Mancini song. The song starts with an 8 Beat orchestral pattern and then moves to a Bossa Nova beat which I think is taken from the KN5000. The lead guitar is added to the ending.

MOVIE MAGIC FILE 5

It’s really funny how arranging ideas come about. Some time ago I was having a spirited conversation with the outstanding organist, Dennis Awe, who is frequently called Mr. Showbusiness. In playing his big band arrangements Dennis frequently does a glissando with a trumpet voice by dragging his finger across an octave or two of keys. I tried without much success to convince him that a trumpet couldn’t do that and that triple tonguing was the technique that trumpet players used for rapid fire notes. In the search for some triple toots I came across this Bolero pattern.

Harold Arlen’s “Over The Rainbow” from THE WIZARD OF OZ was sitting on my music rack. I tried it and liked this different approach to the song. As you can see I move in and out of the horn part, using it somewhat like a long fill. Finally, perhaps to appease Dennis, the song is finished with a grand showbiz rhythm, but with no trumpet glissando.

MORE TO COME

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#63771 - 02/08/02 01:18 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
JvG Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 22
Loc: Holland
hi Frank,

Where can I download those files?

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#63772 - 02/08/02 02:33 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Frank Bez Offline
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Registered: 12/11/99
Posts: 260
Loc: Avila Beach, CA, U.S.A.
Oh, sorry JvG,
I thought we had heard from everyone. Just drop me a note at frankbez@aol.com and I'll zip it to you.
Frank

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#63773 - 02/08/02 02:51 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Marilyn Boissoneault Offline
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Registered: 06/07/00
Posts: 219
Loc: Melbourne, Florida, USA
Frank, you are very creative with your music. I'm wondering if you are an 'ear player'. Sometimes it seems like ear players are so much better at creative arranging. I am not an ear player. I have to have music to play and I find it harder to come up with the kinds of ideas you have. I guess I have some favorite sounds and tend to go with them more. You used some I would have never thought of. I always do like you say and get out of the sequencer so I can see what you're doing with sounds etc. I really loved the movie magic. I know I'm going to learn a lot from it.

Marilyn

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#63774 - 02/08/02 05:20 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Frank Bez Offline
Member

Registered: 12/11/99
Posts: 260
Loc: Avila Beach, CA, U.S.A.
Hi Marilyn,

I’m afraid I’m just like you. I can’t do a thing without music. I learned to read treble clef playing the trumpet as a kid. I started playing the keyboard five years ago, but since I’m trying to teach myself things are going slowly and I’m just now figuring out how to read bass clef. I’m thankful every day that these arranger keyboards allow us to have such a good time playing music.

I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Scott Yee and Bill (BEBOP) Forrest. I get a bit discouraged after hearing how beautifully they play. I hope I live long enough to develop just a few of their skills.

Please try and find the time to tell us more about what you are doing.

Frank

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#63775 - 02/08/02 05:37 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Bob Hendershot Offline
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Registered: 12/02/99
Posts: 924
Loc: Johnson City, TN USA
Hey Frank, I've gone full circle. Used to read all that stuff years ago. But I've been playing with fake sheets for so long I can't read anything but treble clef now. I've got the left hand pretty much committed to memory for all the chord names on my fake sheets. But, I'm lost without those fake sheets. So, I make my own to get them the way I want them.

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#63776 - 02/08/02 06:39 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Frank Bez Offline
Member

Registered: 12/11/99
Posts: 260
Loc: Avila Beach, CA, U.S.A.
Hi Bob,
I hope you don’t mean that you are in a rut, because what ever you do really works. I’ve had that CD of yours for over a year and I never get tired of listening to it.
Frank

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#63777 - 02/08/02 09:38 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Ted Rose Offline
Member

Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 515
Loc: United States
Frank: Thanks for sending me the music file, the arrangements are quite original and I have found them to be fun arrangements that I can use to play my own music compositions or songs other than those you include in it. To all of you, you won't be sorry to ask Frank for his great file of songs! He is a true friend!

Ted Rose

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#63778 - 02/08/02 11:36 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Gunnar Jonny Online   content
Senior Member

Registered: 04/01/01
Posts: 4334
Loc: Norway
Hi Frank,
just a "technical" question.
Why don't you upload your songs to your great
website?
It most be a lot more simple to add your url
in a post, and also to save a lot of phone-
connection time to send all those files every
time someone ask for it.
GJ
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Cheers 🥂
GJ
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"Success is not counted by how high you have climbed
but by how many you brought with you." (Wil Rose)

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#63779 - 02/09/02 04:32 AM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
technicsplayer Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 3319
Hi Frank,
from your description of From Russia With Love, it sounds like you programmed the composer in C major. If you play the semitones in E minor (that's what my score says) the composer will come out perfect with no dissonace at all.
Alec

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#63780 - 02/09/02 07:51 AM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Mike Harrison Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 78
Loc: Oxford U.K.
Hi Frank
Many thanks for the Movie Magic Files, what can I add to the comments already made on this forum? they are excellent and I am sure a lot of us are going to be inspired by this discussion into haveing a go. ( Full Marks )
Look forward to the next Part.
regards Mike

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#63781 - 02/09/02 08:11 AM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Marilyn Boissoneault Offline
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Registered: 06/07/00
Posts: 219
Loc: Melbourne, Florida, USA
Hi Frank,
I started playing piano as a kid, took a couple of years of lessons,then we moved and I never found a teacher I liked. I was not that great on piano, but I always enjoyed it. I played Clarinet in school. That's my music background. I was really excitedvwhen I discovered arranger instruments. Suddenly I could sound good!......well it wasn't sudden. I had a hard time learning to play with the rhythm. I always thought I counted fine, but when I turned the rhythm on I realized I wasn't so hot. Once I got the hang of that then I started sounding pretty good. But I am not as creative as you are! As to the bass clef, I'm going backwards there. I used to read bass clef but then learned chords after I got started on keyboards, now my bass clef is really slow! Neat you have met Scottyee and Bebop. I've a few MP3's that Scottyee played and then got some songs from Bebop around Christmas, both great.

I'm strictly a hobbiest muscian. But I do take my keyboard out at Christmas and play Christmas music at a few small parties at church.

Marilyn


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#63782 - 02/09/02 08:13 AM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Marilyn Boissoneault Offline
Member

Registered: 06/07/00
Posts: 219
Loc: Melbourne, Florida, USA
I'm the same as you. I have a terrible time with the bass clef anymore. So much easier to play chords. I use fake books mostly too. Ocassionally I get a song without chords and have to figure them out myself. That's when it's good to know bass clef.

Marilyn

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Originally posted by Bob Hendershot:
Hey Frank, I've gone full circle. Used to read all that stuff years ago. But I've been playing with fake sheets for so long I can't read anything but treble clef now. I've got the left hand pretty much committed to memory for all the chord names on my fake sheets. But, I'm lost without those fake sheets. So, I make my own to get them the way I want them.

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#63783 - 02/09/02 11:38 AM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Frank Bez Offline
Member

Registered: 12/11/99
Posts: 260
Loc: Avila Beach, CA, U.S.A.
Marilyn, Ted, Mike,
Thanks for the nice words. Marilyn it was good of you to tell us a bit about what you are doing. I find it fascinating how other musicians developed their skills and what they are active in musically.
GJ,
You are so right, it was a lot of work sending out so many files. I just wanted to be careful about doing anything that might mess up the Synthzone. Even though all of the very few commercial styles that I use are modified. In addition this has given me some feedback on what people are thinking. Last September I posted “Swing” on Kool-Keys and didn’t hear from more than 2 or 3 people, even though I always thought that Big Band stuff was very popular.

Alec,
Isn’t it frustrating when you know the answer to a problem and for some reason you can’t see the solution. The same minor key situation came up in “Slow Hot Wind”. I did the Composer parts as you described and it worked fine.

Frank

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#63784 - 02/13/02 12:45 PM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
Scottyee Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Frank: Finally got a chance to hear your 'Movie Magic' disc. Wow, quite a collection of stuff. Your distinguished career as a Hollywood photographer of the stars is reflected in your passion to recreate movie scores on the KN keyboard. Movie Magic is definitely a 'trip' back to the 60's heydays of movies! (Mancini orchestrations, etc) I'm impressed how you were able to successfully use the Technics arranger features to bring out these classic lush movie orchestrations. Most fasinating is Frank's highly unique playing style (unusual melodic phrasing & timing) as well as style choices I would not normally have expected. I found 'Over the Rainbow' a perfect case in point. This could quickly become a collector's disc. Move over Kordit Pandit. Frank, thanks again for sharing your music with us.
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#63785 - 02/14/02 08:32 AM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
thkmcs Offline
Member

Registered: 01/21/02
Posts: 38
Hello Frank,

thank you for sending me your
colleciton....

you're Styles are super and Wonderful...

Greets
Thomas
Home: http://www.thkmcs.de

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#63786 - 02/16/02 08:03 AM Re: MOVIE MAGIC DISCUSSION Part 1
lrngkybrd Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 97
Loc: Queen Creek, Arizona
Thanks for the music. You have done a beautiful job with your music ideas. You made my keyboard sound better than I! I look forward to more discussion about the rest of the songs. I am just learning about this keyboard. I feel very fortunate to have found this web site with such a great bunch of people that are so talented and friendly. I started playing the Lowrey organ when I was very young and living at home. Many years have gone by (about 20 or 25) and I decided to buy a keyboard. I started out with a Yamaha. Played that for a year and decided to upgrade and now have the KN6500.
I am so happy that I started playing again. I play every single day. If I come home for lunch during my work day, I will grab a bite to eat and play a few songs before I go back to work, and then play again when I come home. I am hopelessly obsessed with the music!

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