Hi All!
Greetings from Northern Canada!

I have just purchased a Kn 2400 & am in the process of setting up the panel memories & my personal preferences, and have saved everything on a floppy disk....

A the moment when I power the board on, I am finding that it defaults to the factory settings & does not hold my set up from the previous day, so I'm having to use my floppy each day.....unlike my Kn1000 which holds the last used settings...

Where would I look for a setting that I can change so the 2400 will also hold my settings each time I power on?

Many Thanks,
FlutteringBy

Hi Again!

I think I got it figured out.....you know,when in doubt, consult the manual.... ....

I had initialized the board before I started putting in my own settings, to erase anything that had been entered at the store....

Tonight I just happened to notice, at the bottom of the Initialization page, a tiny little blurb explaining how to reset the performance items.....it seemed to have done the trick, I can now power off & on & still keep my settings....

Amazing what you can learn from these manuals....

FlutteringBy

Hi,
I would like to know your opinion about kn2400, specially comparing it with 7000. Are voices similar? Similar piano sound?
what are differences between both?

FlutteringBy is an interesting nickname to be sure
Welcome to our forum. We are happy to have you join us with your first two posts. We are one big happy Technics family here and enjoy each others talents, music and fellowship.
Feel free to post your questions and one or more of our members will come up with the answer you need, even though it might take a day or two for that member to log in and read your question.
I have an email list that is separate from the forum where we exchange songs with each other. I am not sure what formats you are able to play in your new keyboard, but I am sure you or others will know.
Thank you for joining us

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Thank you for the warm welcome BEBOP....I've enjoyed reading through the previous postings & have already found a couple of tips that I can use.....the thing that amazes me is that I've been using Technics keyboards since 1986 (this is my 4th) & I've only just found this site..... ....

Artaher, I have no experience with the 7000 & can only compare the 2400 to my old board, a Kn 1000....as you would gather, there is no comparison......the 2400 wins hands down!....so far I'm really impressed with the layout of this new board, the expanded panel memory & the sounds are incredible, needless to say, I haven't had time to play with all the bells & whistles, but each day I learn something new....

So far, I REALLY like it!.... ...

FlutteringBy

FlutteringBy,
You are from Northern Canada; so Sudbury, North Bay or even further north?
May I ask how much you paid for it in Cdn dollars? Did you compare it to the KN2600?
What does the spec mean when they say the KN2400 has 2 organ flutes? The specs say the KN2600 has organ flutes (not 2).
This is the first time I am posting on the Technics Forum. Does the fact that I own a Technics turntable count for anything?
Strakeeper

Hey Starkeeper you are welcome to the forum no matter what kind of turntable you have but the technics turntable like the Technics keyboards is the best.
I know you from the GA forum as an active poster with roland and yamaha keyboards.
Make your self to home. I am sure you can share something good with our bunch also
Best to you
Bebop

Hi Starkeeper,

I'm out west, just south of the Yukon....

I paid $1800 cdn for my 2400 & as for the sounds, the specs in my manual say that the 2400 has 1024 sounds (990 sounds + 2 organ drawbars + 32 drum kits) while the 2600 has 1064 sounds (1030 sounds +2 organ drawbars + 32 drum kits)

Hope that's what you were referring to....

FlutteringBy

Bebob,
Thank you for welcoming me to the Technics forum.
FlutteringBy
I know the specs say "2 organ drawbars", but what does that mean? Usually, on a Hammond organ, there wud be 6 or 8 drawbars per manual. Does it mean there are 2 SETS of drawbars. I can't see how one could use 2 drawbars.
Starkeeper

Hi Starkeeper,

There is digital drawbar button located beneath the group of sound group buttons....when it is pressed it will then give you the choice of Jazz or Rock Drawbars & then you choose your own settings...

I haven't played with that feature yet, too many other things to check out first.....

Hope that's some of the info you're after,
Flutteringby

Hello

Does it show in your manual what the missing voices are on the 2400 as compared to the 2600? I wonder if these are some far out ones nobody would use or if it would be like the Yamaha Cool, Sweet and Live voices? I think Technics refers to those kind of voices as Solo voices??

Do you know if you can save personal drawbar setting in a preset?

Thanx

Scott Langholff

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Hi Scott,

No, my manual doesn't say which sounds are on the 2600 that are not on the 2400....I think if you did a Google search for Technics kn2400 & another one for Technics 2600, you'll get a better spec listing....

I don't have one of the glossy give aways that outlines that info....and as for saving a personal drawbar setting in a preset, I don't know....I haven't played with the drawbars yet....

Maybe someone else will be along who has that knowledge...

Sorry I couldn't help you....

FlutteringBy

Thanx Flutteringby

So far the spec sheets only show style categories like pop, country, swing etc.

I sure would have thought these two new critters would use the same owners manual and the individual styles and voices would be listed in the specification section.

Scott Langholff

Hello

Could you explain a little about using the disk for external styles? Like how many styles fit on a disk? How long does it take to go from one style to another after each song? Are the styles you got all set to go or do they need tweeking?

Thanx

Scott Langholff

Hi Scott,

Yes, you are correct....both boards use the same manual, but there is no detailed listing of the sounds....I guess because there is a button called "Sound Explorer" which lists all the available sounds on the display....

As for the music styles....I can get 20 per disk, the same as my kn1000 did....some styles are as I like them & some need tweeking....once I have the style set up as I want it, I then save it in one of my panel memories (there are 24 memories instantly available)& when those 24 memories are filled, I can save them on a floppy & start again...

As for loading a new style into the board, it takes about 10-15 sec....

To me this is still a new board & I'm finding things out everyday....the one main thing I haven't figured out yet is how to save the foot switch function to disk.....but it may be hiding in the customization feature.....

FlutteringBy

Hey Flutteringby

Have you tried this site yet? These are all free. Tons of them. I think this is the site the regulars are referring to.
http://www.technicskn7000.com/home.asp

Curious to see how these work for you.

So you are saying it takes 15-20 seconds to go from one loaded style to another? Yikes sounds as slow as my old KN1000. OK for the hobbyist but a little too long for live performance.

Scott

Hi Scott,
an sd card loads a style in 2 to 3 seconds.
( on my kn7)
best wishes
Rikki


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scott Langholff:


So you are saying it takes 15-20 seconds to go from one loaded style to another? Yikes sounds as slow as my old KN1000. OK for the hobbyist but a little too long for live performance.

Hi Scott,

It does take 10-15 seconds to change styles....but those are styles that are not already loaded into the panel memory....when they're in the panel memory, they're instantly available.....

So when we play anywhere, I have the styles that we're currently using preloaded & set up in the 24 panel memories, & find I rarely have to use a disk....unless we get a very odd request..... ...I use the disks more as an archive & keep the current styles always set up in the panel memories...

That looks like an excellent site, I wasn't aware of it.....thanks for passing it along, I'll have to check it out....

FlutteringBy

Aha! so that's the trick.

I believe some of the Yamaha players set their boards like this. In the past I haven't. I have stayed more like the way a Lowrey organ might be programmed. I sell and teach on the Lowrey.

I'm a little hazy though about what right hand sounds can be used. Is there a freeze button or something so if let's say in registration memory #1 I have a bossa nova, am I able to lock that style in and still use the voice presets on #2-8? I used to have a KN1000 so I understand about what I guess they call P1,P2 and left, or something to that effect. Some of my language may be slipping into Yamaha talk but I hope you get the idea.

So you use it to play out? I'd love to hear about that.

I am thinking now of getting the KN2400 and use it with my PSR2000. Very possibly the best of both worlds as there is no one keyboard that's great at everything..I was thinking of getting a Tyros which sound great, but I do like the idea of having more variety of GOOD sounding styles and voices for my enjoyment and the audience, and I also have a back-up. This is my thinking currently anyway, might change by tomorrow, I'll have to see once I learn more about the new KN's.

Best

Scott Langholff

Hi Scott,

I had to think about your question, & as I understand it, the answer is no....if you had a bossa nova set up in panel memory 1, the moment you pressed memory 2, that's what it would change to.....now, you could have any number of memories set up with bossa nova, different instruments, & access them that way....

Or, you could, using bossa nova as an example, set the bossa nova rhythm in memory 1, & also setting sounds for Right 1, & Right 2; & any other special settings you want....then, when you start your song, start with the sound in Right 1; either play the entire song or the first part then switch to the sound in Right 2; play for however long, then combine the 2 sounds, then go back to Right 1 alone, but with the techni-chord on & either a higher or lower octave & so on.....if you keep changing the combinations, adding the performance pads for a few bars etc, will make you sound like a whole orchestra....

Just one of many ways to set up a board...

FlutteringBy

Hello Flutteringby

Thanx for your clear answer. There is a lot to think about when considering a new keyboard.

I think I have most of my main questions answered right now.

But just so I understand this, the panel memory buttons 1-8 have 3 banks for a total of 24? And I can store one external(from disk) or internal(on-board) style in in each one of those for a total of 24 styles. Do I understand that correctly? If so, that suprized me. There must be a bunch of internal memory in that board that I wasn't aware of.

If you can do the 24 styles like I mentioned I can see where the disk on the 2400 could do the job.

Thanx for your input.

Scott Langholff

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Hi guys,
Scott said: The panel memory buttons 1-8 have 3 banks for a total of 24. And I can store one external(from disk) or internal(on-board) style in in each one of those for a total of 24 styles. Do I understand that correctly? If so, that suprized me. There must be a bunch of internal memory in that board that I wasn't aware of. If you can do the 24 styles like I mentioned I can see where the disk on the 2400 could do the job.

But Rikki said: The composer style area is where you load and play your normal kn styles. In this area you can create & save new styles, edit existing styles etc. Load 3rd party styles. You can have up to 3 styles loaded ready for play in this area. This is the area the KN7, KN2600, Kn2400 uses for external styles.

After reading these statements in the forum, it is not clear to me the capacity to load external styles into KN2400/2600. 24 styles or 3 styles? Please, it is important for a next buy.

Blue

Hello

The next thing to consider, if I understand this correctly, is with a 128mb SD card you can have 99 folders with 20 styles per folder. Just short of 2000 styles!

The SD card is supposed to be quick. Maybe one can load one style at a time for fast live play.

I think this is about my last main question.haha

Thanx for the input gang, and for putting up with my barrage of questions. I get a little excited when considering a new board.

Scott Langholff

Hi Scott,
I was only using the 128mb as an example. These 99 folders, with the 20 styles/songs per folder is available on any size sd card. Your only restriction is the size of your styles and the capacity of your card.
ie sd cards are available at the moment ranging from 8mb to 256mb. You certainly won't fit 2000 styles on an 8mb card, wheras if you bought a 256mb card for only saving styles, it might be overkill as you could have wasted space left on your card.

I mainly use my 256mb card for sd audio files for my kn7.

I personally decided I wanted to have seperate cards for individual functions ,
ie
I have my old gm midifiles and songs dowloaded from the members on 1 card.

I have all my styles on another card that I use for auditioning when I'm looking for a style to go with a new song.

Last, I have my work card. This contains the styles & songs & setups for the songs that I can actually play.This ones really empty, but I'm hoping to add to it Heehee.

I worked out what size card I'd need if I was planning to use it to it's full capacity( 99 folders by 20 styles/songs) by working out roughly how many styles/songs I'd get to the 1mb and multiplying.

The sd card is very quick for loading
( about 3 seconds on my kn7 for a style).
But I can really only comment on my kn7 as I haven't seen the kn2600.

Hi,
I think we're mixing panel memories, external ( composer styles) and internal styles up.

Hopefully I can clear it up without confusing you even more.

The panel memories store information on your set up ie which style to use, which variation, which sound for your left & right hand etc ( similar to registrations on psr's)ie
panel 1= style internal beguine, vari 1, right hand piano, left hand string etc.

panel 2= style internal beguine, vari 3, right hand trumpet, left hand string

panel 3= style COMPOSER ( external style)cha cha, vari 3, right hand tumpet, left hand string
With this one you would have to make sure you've loaded the cha cha composer style ( which is an external style) into one of your 3 composer memories.

Hope I'm making sense.

If I can be of any help, just email me personally.

best wishes
Rikki





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We are getting different answers from FlutteringBy and Rikkisbears.
So there is only 3 user areas (composer memories) for storing external styles (same as on the Yamaha PSR550). Styles can be loaded from disk on the KN2400 or SD Card on the KN2600, but they would be loaded into the 3 composer areas, and not directly from disk/sd card. Again this is like my PSR550. I can load styles from disk into the 3 user areas. This would make the functionality of a Technics $1800cdn keyboard identical to a $850 keybaord!!!
Am I understanding this correctly?
Starkeeper

Douglas Dean,
I think you are clarifying this a little. So the KN2600 WOULD be able to load direclty from the SD Card, but the KN2400 would have to load first into the 3 composer areas?
Not sure what you meant when you say the inexpensive 24. What's a 24?
Sorry for the dumb queations, I think it's because different manufactures use different terms for the same functionality. So a user style area = composer area.
Starkeeper

hahaha, It is a little complicated, seems that all we do circles surrounding a theme. At less, it remained clear that 2400/2600 has not a user styles area (like PSRs, and like KN7) to load external styles. Also it is clear that external styles can't be played from floppy or sdcard, and they have to be loaded into panel memory. Perhaps all that is a little confusing because the way to manage styles is different to PSRs.
So, as Starkeeper would say, two things do not remain even clear:
First one would be how many styles can be loaded from sd card or floppy in panel memory?
Second one is if these loaded styles in panel memory remain into kb when the keyboard is put out?

Starkeeper, when I said 24 that is just short for 2400. Same for 26 is 2600 and 7 for 7000. The way technics does things is somewhat different than other manufactures. Just as Yamaha does things different than others. The way each manufacture does things is called the OS (operating system). Just like you and me. If I was going to meet you somewhere at a certain time we would both get there but we probably would use different routes to get there. But get there we would. That’s the way keyboards work. As far as the different ways to get to the same place (OS, operating system) by a manufacture all have differences. For instance the VA keyboards (Rolland). They use a touch sensitive screen with hidden menus to get to the things you want to do. Some like the system and some don’t. It gets there but is frustrating to some. Another example is the SD card on technics. SD cards are for storage. Like a warehouse, different things can be stored in them. Also warehouses have different methods to find the things stored in them and all warehouses are only capable of storing certain things. Some more and some less. Floppy disks can only handle a limited number of things. A hard drive can store the same things as a floppy but much more of the same things. However usually only one hard drive to a keyboard is possible. And then hard drives have a limit relative to their size. Now as technology progresses we now have the SD card. A small postage stamp size card. No moving parts. Not subject to damage by moving or dropping. No wear problems. Kind of fool proof you might say. As with hard drives they can be bought with different storage capacities. Now comes the good stuff. You can purchase any number of these cards and carry a couple dozen of them in your shirt pocket. Now size has become of no concern. But, and I say BUT here comes the best part. Something floppies or hard drives can’t do. You can put voice on them also. You can put your CD’s on them, with singing, music, everything. Carry them ity-bity SD’s over to your buddies house in your shirt pocket, slip them into his KN and zippo, your in business. There are different reasons why people buy different types and or manufactures of keyboards. The same holds true with anything. There are those who will only buy a Chevy or a Ford product. Because of their bias they become very narrow in their thinking and miss a lot of what life has to offer. Trapped by their mind. Others buy because of their need. Such as a man with a lot of kids. A van is much more suitable. Keyboards? A singer who accompanies himself will more than likely choose an operating system different than a musician. Most important, choose a board for what you are going to do. I know many guys who only play their keyboards. Don’t know how to spell floppy disk, have never used the one that came with their board and would not know where to put it if they held one. They are perfectly happy. That’s the guy that don’t need a board with a lot of stuff on it. Then there are the ones that thrive on technology and buy it. I bought the one that is noted for it’s user friendly OS and that sounds the best to me and the customers I play for. Affordability? I bought the top of the line and am completely happy. If I didn’t have the bread I would certainly shoot for the 2600 with it’s SD card. If I was limited I’m sure I could be happy with the 2400. If I was a died in the wool Yamaha guy I would use the same reasoning. Another thing to take in consideration is the quality of the different forums. Look at the things being discussed on the general forum, the place where the Yamaha and other guys hang out. Listen to the music they play and exchange (very little). Nothing like the stuff on the technics site. Can’t come close to the quality of the arrangements, the sound, the musicianship of the people on this forum not to mention the quantity produced. Thanks to Bebop also for that. Don’t forget to look at the content of the things being discussed. Big difference.

Starkeeper, both the floppy and the SD card load into the composer. The difference is that the SD card loads in the twinkling of an eye while the floppy takes some seconds. A big advantage if speed is your consideration, playing out or if you have no patience. I don’t think a user style area = composer area. User style area is where you store styles. The composer area is where styles are loaded into. That is where you play them from, compose them, adjust them, twist them, turn them and do any other crazy thing you might conceive doing to them. You might say the custom area on the 6 or 7 thousand keyboard would = a user style area. The custom area is the place you store styles that are not native to the board. Ones that you load in from another source. The SD card in effect does the same thing except that there is an unlimited amount that can be stored and recalled in an instant. The low end (cheapest) of the KN’s, the 2400 stores them on a floppy disk. Old and slow technology but less money also. Once you get a handle on the way different things are done you will see everybody will arrive at the same place. The difference being mental attitude and the route (OS) you choose to take. I know some who do not like to take the super slab but prefer to take the city streets. Get there the way you are the most comfortable with, is the way I look at it. Me? I like what I have, I get there fast with quality and great sound to me and to my customers ears. Class, to say the least.

Let no dust settle under my feet, Grandpa Doug

Hi
this seems to be getting terribly confusing as psr's & kn's appear to handle external/user styles differently.

My KN7 has a feature called Custom Styles
on my 9000Pro the same type of feature is called Flash Styles. The less expensive keyboards don't appear to have this feature.

Composer Memory is for loading and using External / User Styles.
You can load up to 3 external/user styles into the composer memory of the kn's.

The 24 panel memories ( called registrations in my pro)is where you set up your info for the style ie sounds for left & right hand , the type of style (internal or composer) NOTE: the external/user style has to be loaded into 1 of the 3 composer memories either from floppy disk or sd card before it can be used in a panel memory.

(Probably my explanation is clear as mud. Wish it was as easy to explain as it is to actually do.) http://www.greatwestmusic.com/kn7000.html http://achamilton.co.uk/KN2600.htm http://achamilton.co.uk/KN2400.htm
best wishes
Rikki

Hi Grandpa Doug ,
how did you manage to write all of that so quickly. It took me longer to write my half a dozen lines. When I started, you hadn't sent your reply. I must have fallen asleep at the computer haa haa. ( 7 0' clock in the morning here).
Didn't mean to double up on any info.

best wishes
Rikki

Hay bluebird, going around in circles is not that bad. You don’t have to worry about getting there.

Rikkisbears, being terribly confused aint that bad either. You never have to be worried about being wrong.

From the wisdom of Grandpa Doug

P.S. Rikkisbears, the older you get the faster time flies. I'm getting to a point where I mail a letter before I finish it and it’s done before it gets there.