Please,can any body help.
I am trying to load the new styles, kn2600to kn7000 from the technics site to a sd 8 mb card.Can this be done using the card reader? Transmission has never worked on my system using Song Manager.

yes, Song Manager works, but at midi speed so takes a long time, card reader is much faster. When the site is finished then full instructions will be available.

Although I am successful in utilizing Song Manager to do routine Backups and Restores of SD Cards both from the KN7000 and a Card Read/writer, I am having difficulty restoring a backup that I downloaded from KN7000.com.
I get an 'error' message instead of a 'Complete' message at the end of the restore process, both using the Card R/W or the KN7000 (via usb). After restoring I see the folders on the SD Card restored via usb (even though I got an error) but do not see anything in the folders when restored via the Card R/W.
Could I be doing somthing wrong?

Bob in Sunny Florida

I just got the same error on one download. Then tried my original which worked fine, and the copy I supplied to Technics which was also fine. Comparing the download with the original showed a few extra bytes had been added to the download for some reason, which is obviously failing the checksum of the restore operation. I'll mail Technics and ask them to check the files.

i got an error message at the end of the transition from pc to 7000 but all the styles were on the sd card and work fine thanks technics.
jan;

Hi All
I am also getting errors when I try to restore these files using Song Manager. The only one that worked was the restoration of the World styles. I believe now that I already have these styles from Alec's CD that was associated with his book.
Regards
Keith

one is pre-installed custom backups and the other pre-installed composer/panel memory backups. It will be clear when the site is finished.

Many thanks to all the kind members who have replied.My only problem,since i bought the Kn7000 a year ago,has been the failing of
the transmition function using Song Manager.
Any new sugestions to resolve this would be truly welcome. It now looks like I will have to wait for further news on the KN7000 site
to download,the new styles.

Hi Maurice,
unfortunately this won't help with the new styles, but just wondering how you do your back ups of your sd cards, or don't you?
Just in case you're not aware, there is a way of backing up sd card using a card reader.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Maurice:
[b]Many thanks to all the kind members who have replied.

[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 11-12-2003).]

Hi Rikki,

Back ups are done using the card reader.Because of the problem i have with Song Manager,the card reader usually works ok.
Regards
Maurice.

Dear Maurice,

I wonder if you had a similar experience to me, in that you didn't appreciate just how long it takes? I have only tried to use the Song Manager backup once. I had an 8Meg card in the KN7000 at the time. Both the computer screen and the KN7000 screen indicated that the transfer was in progress, but after 20 minutes I just assumed it wasn't working and disconnected the USB cable (even though you're not supposed to - it was the only way I could find to cancel the operation).

If it takes in excess of 20 minutes to backup/restore an 8Meg card, I for one would be very grateful for a means to transfer the new styles to SD via the card reader!

Cheers,
Mark

Hiya Mark and Maurice et al...
Last weekend I backed up my 128 mb SD card direct from KN7000 to computer (i.e. not via the card reader) - I timed it and it took 5 hours!!!!!
Interesting thing is that at the end Windows explorer indicated that what had been downloaded ( backed up ) was a meaningful amount of megabytes of information; yet when I previously backed up through the card reader in seconds, windows explorer indicates absolutely minimal megabytes - somehow I feel uncomfortable with that hence doing the 'full monty' job.
Cheers
Roger M
p.s. looking forward to what will soon be on offer apparently on the KN7000 web site - sounds more like my kind of stuff, Rikkis, is that right?

Hi Mark,
Thank you for your reply.In my case,using Song Manager,no transmission takes place.If i
download to the card reader,the files appear
on the card,the kn7 says the files are empty.

Hi Roger,
Thank you for your reply. Did you manage to load the files to the kn from the card?

Regards
Maurice.

Hi folks,
I can imagine the impatiently , so waiting at more info coming I have published on the KESO site under Tips&Tricks:
1. How to restore a SD-backup by using the Technics Song Manager (under G4)..
2. How to print the content of your SD-card or search on your SD-card with the help of the KN7000SDCardTool of THKMCS (under G5) ..
If you are interested, you are welcome on http://www.keso.nl
Cees
BTW: great job Technics UK is doing at the moment.


[This message has been edited by cees (edited 11-13-2003).]

Hi Cees.

Your family name is very known in Norway because
of a famous speed iceskater.
Do you skate as well as making websites ?
GJ

Alec,

I downloaded the "Total 64" files with no trouble.
After reading the problems with the "New KN2600" files I thought I would give it a go. I downloaded twice and the files came up empty.

Sending for your information.

Appreciate the great job you are doing and the wonderful support you have given fellow KN owners and myself over the years.

cheers,

Fran in Florida

I had trouble with the 8 meg one. Had to download it 3 times before it would work with a restore.

Yesterday evening I got the 64 meg one and it worked fine.....just took forever to download at 56K.

Some great new styles there! I have found quite a few that I like, and they are very different than anything we have. So a big thanks to Technic's and Alec and whoever else is involved with putting those new styles from the KN26000 on there in KN7000 format!

Marilyn

Hi Gunnar,
formerdays the skating was much quicker, nowadays making a page
But I am obliged to my name to maintain the skating. But ooh, ooh my back
Cees

Fran, if you downloaded the Total backup for KN7000 and right click Properties on it the actual size should be 25,481,097 bytes. I'll wager you find your download has an extra few bytes - 407 to be exact. These are causing the restore corruption and need investigation at the server end.

I can only say please wait until the site is finished and an announcement is made to that effect

Hi Guys,
I do my backups via 2 different methods using an sd card reader. I tried doing it via USB Cable and Song Manager ONCE. It took forever.
I've actually got 2 sd card readers. The one that came with the Panasonic SD Audio Writing Kit, which I require for saving Audio files to sd card, the other one is a generic brand sd card reader that I bought off ebay for the princely sum of $14USD plus postage.
I actually have 2 computers, one is used for the internet and downloding files, the other ( a laptop) I use for music.
Having the 2 card readers is a real bonus as it allows me to copy files that I download from the net, to a spare sd. I then use that sd card to transfer the files to my laptop. In short, I'm using an sd card as a giant floppy for transferring all sorts of files.

As for backups.
I do one lot of backs using the Song Manager and an sd card reader.

The other back up, I just copy the folder called "private" from the sd card (inclusive of contents) to a folder I've created in my computer. I usually put a date on that folder so that I can identify the date I backed up. After awhile these folders can end up taking up a fair bit of memory ( if you keep to or 3 backups), I then burn them to a cd rom and remove them from the computer. In short, I could restore a card from any point in time.
One advantage I did find is that, unlike the song manager back up, your file doesn't neccesarily have to go back onto the same size sd card.
I for instance have all my styles on one card. My songs ( from Cee's site & midifiles ) on another. My audio files on another and my personal music work files on another.
I've also ended up with a variety of card sizes ie 8mb, 32mb 64 mb up to 256mb. As I out grew them and they got cheaper, I replaced with larger cards.
If for instance I started putting all my songs onto a 256 mb card and I realized I'd never be able to fill it up to full memory capacity( there's a max of 99 folders x 20 songs per sd card) ie all those songs were on going to use up 50 mb max ( waste of a large card) , then I would copy the " private" folder ( only 1 private folder & contents, allowed per sd card) to my computer, then copy that 50 mb private folder of songs to a 64 mb card instead.

I'm probably a bit paranoid about backing up, but when I look at the hours, days, months, I spend downloading songs, sorting styles, creating the odd style etc, I couldn't think of anything worse than losing all these files. The keyboard is replaceable if something went wrong, an sd card is replaceable, all the hard work we put into these files to my mind, ISN'T.

best wishes
Rikki

Rikki,

I do not have the collection to manage that you have. I do have quite a bit and I use the same approach. No large SD's and final backup to CD.
You are a wealth of information.

Fran in Florida

I finally brought my Laptop home and connected the USB cable to the PR54 and tried sending both midi and Technic files to the PR and I got nothing but transmission errors. I do here sound from the computer on the PR but no transfer of songs.

Does this thing work! And if so do I have to set the PR to the composer or do anything special. The manual doesn't seen to say anything about it and the help file only tell how to use it and not how to set it up.

Any help I can get would be great.

Heather

Hi Heather,
not quite sure what you mean by " you hear sound from the computer".

You're not trying to send the songs across as if you were using a sequencer? ie trying to play them across.

Are you using the song manager software? that I assume came with your pr.

I would tend to think that what you'd be sending across would be the songs in file format, not in midi format.

Unfortunately the pr's are different to the kn7, so I'm really not much help to you.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shcox:
[B]I finally brought my Laptop home and connected the USB cable to the PR54 and tried sending both midi and Technic files to the PR and I got nothing but transmission errors. I do here sound from the computer on the PR but no transfer of songs.

Hi Rikki,

The sounds I hear are the beeps that the computer itself makes when the error occurs and any other computer sounds as if the PR was just a big set of computer speakers.

Alec sent me some thing to try next weekend when I have the time to take the laptop home again.

But thanks for trying to help.

Heather