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#507840 - 03/06/23 10:47 PM Re: New Medeli AKX10 [Re: Guardman2001]
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If everything the video mentioned was TRUE and correct, I would agree with Diki, but since it is not, here is a video showing why:-

Questions and doubts cleared about the new KETRON EVENT:- https://youtu.be/dULXT00bnJM
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#507844 - 03/07/23 06:38 AM Re: New Medeli AKX10 [Re: Guardman2001]
Diki Offline


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Yeah, certainly, AJ, before anybody loses their minds, be great to have a point by point refutation of his issues.

Mind you, I did feel some of them were quite legitimate, especially stuff like fewer buttons for style fills, so auto fill is the main way that’s used. Yours is the system that I prefer, and Roland went that way, but Yamaha users (and Korg, I think) have a system where each fill has its own button.

Quite honestly, in normal use, auto fill gives the smoothest most natural transitions, but quite a lot of Yamaha and Korg users create special ‘songstyles’ where each fill is actually a segment of the song, just like the variations. Not being able to call up the fills in any order you want because there’s no panel button for them definitely complicates using them that way.

But anyway, thanks for stepping in and addressing the issues. Good prompt dialog with the manufacturer/distributor and early user reviewers goes a long way to clarifying things. Unless the reviewer comes from a Ketron background, there’s always a certain amount of ‘why is it like this???!!!’ as the reviewer brings their familiarity with a different brand’s OS up against a foreign OS! We all tend to get used to one brand… 🎹
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#507845 - 03/07/23 06:58 AM Re: New Medeli AKX10 [Re: Guardman2001]
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I saw how you deal with addressing the individual fills randomly. Perhaps his issue was simply placement? I know that, for one thing, you spend a decade getting used to a function being close to your left hand (which is having to chord AND run the style control buttons) and now you have a much larger distance between your chord and the button you need, it can get a bit weird.

I went through this when Roland started using touch screens, and panel buttons started disappearing and moved to the center of the instrument on the screen. Maybe that reviewer hasn’t got fully used to touch screens yet? I must say, I’m not a big fan of how so much screen real estate is wasted on pretty pictures on the current SX OS. They haven’t embraced the screen yet for style control, but I must admit, adding that extra distance your chording hand has to move to get to the screen isn’t ideal either.

I’ve always felt a two screen system, one left, one right, if you wanted to go all touch screen (or at least, transfer much of the style control and voice/style selection duties to screens) was probably the most practical (if not the most cost efficient!). Hard enough to hit those fill buttons and get back to the chording when they’re right by the area on the keyboard you play in! Move them to the central screen, much harder…
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#507847 - 03/07/23 10:27 AM Re: New Medeli AKX10 [Re: Diki]
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5354
Loc: English Riviera, UK
Originally Posted By Diki
I saw how you deal with addressing the individual fills randomly. Perhaps his issue was simply placement? I know that, for one thing, you spend a decade getting used to a function being close to your left hand (which is having to chord AND run the style control buttons) and now you have a much larger distance between your chord and the button you need, it can get a bit weird.

I went through this when Roland started using touch screens, and panel buttons started disappearing and moved to the center of the instrument on the screen. Maybe that reviewer hasn’t got fully used to touch screens yet? I must say, I’m not a big fan of how so much screen real estate is wasted on pretty pictures on the current SX OS. They haven’t embraced the screen yet for style control, but I must admit, adding that extra distance your chording hand has to move to get to the screen isn’t ideal either.

I’ve always felt a two screen system, one left, one right, if you wanted to go all touch screen (or at least, transfer much of the style control and voice/style selection duties to screens) was probably the most practical (if not the most cost efficient!). Hard enough to hit those fill buttons and get back to the chording when they’re right by the area on the keyboard you play in! Move them to the central screen, much harder…


You don't need 2 screens (Lowrey dropped this) if the screen is correctly sized for use as a split screen, (As Lowrey did on their larger models) plus only needing 1 screen cuts down costs.

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#507850 - 03/07/23 04:15 PM Re: New Medeli AKX10 [Re: Diki]
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
Originally Posted By Diki


Mind you, I did feel some of them were quite legitimate, especially stuff like fewer buttons for style fills, so auto fill is the main way that’s used. Yours is the system that I prefer, and Roland went that way, but Yamaha users (and Korg, I think) have a system where each fill has its own button.

Quite honestly, in normal use, auto fill gives the smoothest most natural transitions, but quite a lot of Yamaha and Korg users create special ‘songstyles’ where each fill is actually a segment of the song, just like the variations. Not being able to call up the fills in any order you want because there’s no panel button for them definitely complicates using them that way.
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Hi Diki , both Korg and Yamaha have the auto fill option. Sx900 has has 4 variation buttons and the option of having auto fill On or Off.
Korg has 4 variation buttons and 4 fill buttons with the option of auto fill On or Off.
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#507866 - 03/08/23 01:01 PM Re: New Medeli AKX10 [Re: Guardman2001]
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14208
Loc: NW Florida
The two screen thing is simply to have each hand move away from the keyboard no more than they currently do. You’ll notice that most button heavy arrangers place the style control buttons VERY close to the left side, and the sound selection and Part selector buttons close to the right. Anything on a central touchscreen forces your hand to move MUCH further than is optimal….

Ideally, you want to be playing as much as possible, so doing much while you play from the touchscreen forces more time not playing. 30 years of refinement in arranger play layout shouldn’t just be tossed away, IMHO. Traditional layout systems took a long time to get where they are now. 🎹
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