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#503571 - 08/18/21 02:22 PM Re: Chord Looper Video [Re: lahawk]
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Well, the first domino to fall was Napster, and the concept that ‘sharing’ the music you bought with 100M ‘friends’ rather than laboriously cobbling mix tapes together one at a time to hand out to just the ONE friend, was legitimate rather than plain theft.

Pop music was always a very expensive art form at the level that pre-Napster musicians and labels practiced it at. Remove a good 80%+ of the profit margin, obviously major cuts had to be made in the production costs, and that was the margin that the great studio players, engineers and studio owners lived on.

The 60’s through the 80’s represent a zenith that it seems unlikely will ever be reached again until attitudes about that music should be free change radically. And in today’s post-industrial service economy that doesn’t honestly seem likely… 🎹🤔😢
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#503584 - 08/19/21 06:20 PM Re: Chord Looper Video [Re: Diki]
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Registered: 10/20/09
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Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By Diki
Originally Posted By montunoman
Yeah, it can be a little tricky…. You need to push the looper a mesure before the loop is to start and a measure before it ends. You can push the loop button anywhere with the measure.


Really? A WHOLE bar in advance? Roland’s looper record mode can be started up to about the beginning of the fourth beat of the preceding bar, just like fills can be. And the start and stop of the loop the same leeway. I don’t understand… what could possibly be the need to set this up a whole bar ahead?

It might be worth slowing the tempo way down and experimenting with just how close to the bar boundary you can get the looper to engage…


Thank you Diki for clarifying. I meant somewhere within the mesure - usdusly one or two beats before , but it be less too.
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#503585 - 08/19/21 07:51 PM Re: Chord Looper Video [Re: lahawk]
Diki Offline


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No problem. Yes, just like fills, I feel no later than just before beat 4 (if 4/4) is generally the latest you can guarantee everything’s going to work.

Don’t forget, you HAVE to get back to actually playing the chords before the looper starts recording. If a chord is playing from before you hit record, the looper doesn’t ’catch’ it, because you didn’t play it while in record. So if the end of the loop isn’t the same chord, when the loop repeats it will continue to play the chord at the end until it gets to the chord you first actually played!

So, although you possibly COULD go later than on beat 4 to hit Record, you run the risk of not getting back to playing before the ‘one’…

Obviously, not such a big deal if you are recording loops to use later, and are slowing down the tempo, but if you’re using it live at full tempo, it’s a good habit to get into being consistent as to what beat you go hit Record on. One less thing to worry about!

If you are a pianist/singer, you can usually lay down a really good loop while you accompany your vocal for the verse and chorus, or head if jazz. You’ll tend to play the correct inversions etc, and just be fairly basic. Then you can hit Play, have the chords played for you and start to stretch a bit, reharmonize a bit, etc..

But a pretty cool trick is to turn BassInversion off while you record the loop (if it’s a song that doesn’t really use inversions much) and actually PLAY other inversions by changing up your LH. The accompaniment will still sound ‘normal’, but then, on one of the repeats of the loop, turn on the BassInv feature, and the whole flavor of the song will change without you having to go back to playing the chords. And with BassInv tasked to a footswitch, you can even do it just in certain spots, differently each repeat.

Another cool looper trick is to lay the loop down only with open 5th (no 3rd) chords, then you can substitute all kinds of different voicings without clashing with the accompaniment. It’s especially effective with modern light rock styles (lots of open 9th chords in today’s rock) and gives you tons of room to reharmonize and play alternate changes…

If you’ve never really played with a band and would like a taste of what it entails, record the loop for a song or a verse/chorus structure, then turn off all the arranger parts other than bass drums and rhythm guitar. Now try to fill in your comp and all the horn or string or synth parts live. That’s what you have to do in a live band! Practice this enough, next time you get to sit in with a band, you are better prepared to do more than just play the piano or organ part…

Get creative with your looper!
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