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#498701 - 06/13/20 01:11 PM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: Kabinopus]
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Originally Posted By Kabinopus
Originally Posted By DonM
I sometimes have younger people come up to see what I'm doing. That watch me play and still have no idea. I tell them it's a new intelligent computer technology that follows the chords and notes that I play. That seems to make sense to them.

I presume that most people I know do not actually know what a "chord" really means. They think of music as a melody and some additional noise that can be added as you wish. No judging - it's our nature to know something and to be ignorant about something else. And it doesn't stop these people from feeling and appreciating music. My point is that with an arranger or not there always will be misunderstanding. Even when I played an acoustic piano some people thought that I used some backing. But in your case you're safe because of your singing abilities. I think in Russia you would get an extra cash and attention for being "a real American"; though not sure if moving here would be a good idea (oops, I've already put it in you head... forgive me, please!).

Maybe if I were a little younger...it would be worth the trip just to hang out with you my friend!
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#498706 - 06/13/20 03:53 PM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: Dnj]
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Sadly I think they’re just not interested. My last 2 old keyboards went to my granddaughter. Never really showed any interest. Should have learnt that lesson from the first one, and given the pa 800 to someone who’d use it.

She’s taking guitar lessons now, and the younger brother is learning to play sax.
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#498708 - 06/13/20 06:04 PM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: DonM]
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Registered: 04/28/06
Posts: 874
Loc: North Texas, USA
Originally Posted By DonM
The ones that remember the old "toy" arrangers are old people like me. Do they still even make them?


Yes! I put the PSR-E series, Roland EX, and Korg EK in this category. Casiotone too of course. I would tell a parent to rob a 7-Eleven on the way to the music store, if necessary to afford MOTL or better, before I would endorse them to buy one of these toys for their kids. Especially with excellent arrangers like the BK-5, Pa500, etc. available at very reasonable prices used.

What I grew up with was extremely limited, and it limits me even today. I'm adamant that the functionality of the instrument should NEVER be a limit to a child learning, exploring, and being inspired.


Edited by TedS (06/13/20 06:06 PM)

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#498709 - 06/13/20 11:45 PM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: TedS]
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Registered: 06/04/02
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The younger generation has been turning away from what the older generation loves, enjoys, and plays since the beginning. It rarely has to do with what is better.

That is how we went from Sinatra type of music to rap, and oldies. Somewhere in there is progress. I remember when not knowing what a computer was, or only using a wired phone.
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#498710 - 06/13/20 11:50 PM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Its not the arranger mechanic...

Its the content that chases them away..

Makes me wonder why yamaha only keeps adding 20th century music styles..

If they created a workstation with arranger capability where young people could create their own styles from audio loops and midi files.. it would sell big big big time....


You absolutely nail it. I have been saying for a long time that a workstation with arranger features ( which really cost nothing as it is just the addition of software features ) is the way to go. Maybe they may require a button overlay when in arranger mode to show what buttons actually do when in that mode.

A Korg Kronos, Roland Fantom or Yamaha Motif with arranger capability would be awesome.

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#498712 - 06/14/20 01:17 AM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: Nigel]
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Loc: English Riviera, UK
Originally Posted By Nigel
Originally Posted By Bachus
Its not the arranger mechanic...

Its the content that chases them away..

Makes me wonder why yamaha only keeps adding 20th century music styles..

If they created a workstation with arranger capability where young people could create their own styles from audio loops and midi files.. it would sell big big big time....


You absolutely nail it. I have been saying for a long time that a workstation with arranger features ( which really cost nothing as it is just the addition of software features ) is the way to go. Maybe they may require a button overlay when in arranger mode to show what buttons actually do when in that mode.

A Korg Kronos, Roland Fantom or Yamaha Motif with arranger capability would be awesome.


Thing is, the Workstation and Arranger departments are separate, and are very protective of the work they do, plus if they merged (Shared a lot of tech and programming) then restructuring (Redundancy’s) would follow, so it won’t happen anytime soon.

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#498717 - 06/14/20 06:15 AM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: Kabinopus]
Bachus Offline
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Registered: 03/02/06
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Originally Posted By Kabinopus
Originally Posted By DonM
I sometimes have younger people come up to see what I'm doing. That watch me play and still have no idea. I tell them it's a new intelligent computer technology that follows the chords and notes that I play. That seems to make sense to them.

I presume that most people I know do not actually know what a "chord" really means. They think of music as a melody and some additional noise that can be added as you wish. No judging - it's our nature to know something and to be ignorant about something else. And it doesn't stop these people from feeling and appreciating music. My point is that with an arranger or not there always will be misunderstanding. Even when I played an acoustic piano some people thought that I used some backing. But in your case you're safe because of your singing abilities. I think in Russia you would get an extra cash and attention for being "a real American"; though not sure if moving here would be a good idea (oops, I've already put it in you head... forgive me, please!).


You hit the nail on the head..

Most modern dance musicians have no clue about chords
All they talk i about beats..
This results in more trbal level of dance music..

Atleast playing arranger or piano would get them educated..

There is even software they use to create chord progression to accompany their beats and mellodies... hmm.. software that arranges? Really is that new? Or have we seen that before
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#498718 - 06/14/20 06:17 AM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: Steve A]
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STEVE you can make your own styles if you are creative enough . sequencer and looper are basicly the same basic idea 'you can add voices in the loop technic which is uniq in the looper ,byt thats is.
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#498720 - 06/14/20 06:38 AM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: dud]
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Originally Posted By dud
STEVE you can make your own styles if you are creative enough . sequencer and looper are basicly the same basic idea 'you can add voices in the loop technic which is uniq in the looper ,byt thats is.


Definately...

But you cant work with audio material..
And the young ones mostly use audio instead of midi..

I think there is a lot of possibilities to modernise the sequencer..
I mean the sequencer of the arrangers..

It used to be just ableton live.
But now even logic took the step towards clip launching..
Thats when you want to use the sequencer as a modern live tool in dance music..
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#498722 - 06/14/20 07:24 AM Re: Younger generation no interest in arrangers [Re: dud]
Steve A Offline
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Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 388
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Originally Posted By dud
STEVE you can make your own styles if you are creative enough . sequencer and looper are basicly the same basic idea 'you can add voices in the loop technic which is uniq in the looper ,byt thats is.


I'm sure I could, but where to start? I bought the board SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT...

I am the kind of guy who PAYS FOR HIRED HELP....I drive my car, but am not a mechanic....I AM NOT A PROGRAMMER...
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