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#491747 - 03/16/20 04:31 PM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: rikkisbears]
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Of course, you realize that no medical professional would order a test for someone that is not symptomatic. Not only does this not make sense, but additionally, the test would probably not be covered by their medical insurance. Some one said Trump should have been tested right away, despite the fact that he has not shown any symptoms whatsoever, even after weeks passes since he was in the same room with someone that came down with the virus. This would be akin to having a cardiac cath because you are over 70 years old, but show no symptoms of heart disease - makes absolutely no sense at all. The president's physician is rated as one of the top docs in the nation - he knows what he is doing.

As for the disease ramping up at an exponential rate, this is pretty much true with nearly all communicable diseases, but soon after reaching their peak, they tend to plummet until they pretty much go away, often because of the natural immune defenses developed within the human body after exposure. No one, at this time, knows when the disease will peak, no one can possibly prepare for a disease that has never occurred in the past, but each and every person can do their best, at all times, to prevent the spread of communicable diseases. Personal hygiene goes a long way in this, but other things such as distancing yourself from individuals that display symptoms, such as coughing, sneezing, runny nose, runny eyes, etc... can have a dramatic impact. It's just good common sense!

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#491751 - 03/16/20 05:25 PM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: rikkisbears]
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Hi Gary,
If that was in response to my post, they are testing this treatment on patients who have already got it and need to be in hospital.
Not the ones that will get over it without having to be hospitalised and just have to self isolate for a period.

Put it this way ,that is what the professor was saying in the interview, hopefully the papers haven’t put their own spin on it.
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#491752 - 03/16/20 06:12 PM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: rikkisbears]
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#491763 - 03/16/20 10:15 PM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: rikkisbears]
Mark79100 Offline
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
I got a harbinger of things to come when, years ago, the government cut cultural and music concert budgets to the states and local towns in order to save money on "unnecessary expenditures." I remember thinking that is the first sign of a country in decline. The Arts should be the "last" thing to go.

I was reminded again tonight watching a documentary on "America Over the Centuries." They focused on The Great Depression followed by our entry into WWII. The accompanying comment sobered me up all over again. "Americans got through these trying times through the abundance of live music everywhere you turned. It was a necessary element to lift their spirits and keep them lifted."

Seems they had more sense in those days. You couldn't even win a war without music. If someone with any horse sense was in charge of this present fiasco, the first thing they should give back to the people, after removing them from most social outlets, is....MUSIC!

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#491765 - 03/16/20 11:53 PM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
Of course, you realize that no medical professional would order a test for someone that is not symptomatic. Not only does this not make sense, but additionally, the test would probably not be covered by their medical insurance. Some one said Trump should have been tested right away, despite the fact that he has not shown any symptoms whatsoever, even after weeks passes since he was in the same room with someone that came down with the virus. This would be akin to having a cardiac cath because you are over 70 years old, but show no symptoms of heart disease - makes absolutely no sense at all. The president's physician is rated as one of the top docs in the nation - he knows what he is doing.

As for the disease ramping up at an exponential rate, this is pretty much true with nearly all communicable diseases, but soon after reaching their peak, they tend to plummet until they pretty much go away, often because of the natural immune defenses developed within the human body after exposure. No one, at this time, knows when the disease will peak, no one can possibly prepare for a disease that has never occurred in the past, but each and every person can do their best, at all times, to prevent the spread of communicable diseases. Personal hygiene goes a long way in this, but other things such as distancing yourself from individuals that display symptoms, such as coughing, sneezing, runny nose, runny eyes, etc... can have a dramatic impact. It's just good common sense!

Cheers,

Gary cool



All prevention we do in Holand is aimed to keep that peek as low as possible.. because when we let it grow wildly, we know we will not have enough hospital beds and equipment to treat all those people with these specific breathing complaints..

This means the periode in which people get sick will last longer.. but its estimated that in total 40% of the people will get sick... its an airborne virus, we can not contain that as long as there is any contact between people..
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#491767 - 03/17/20 12:12 AM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
despite the fact that he has not shown any symptoms whatsoever, even after weeks passes since he was in the same room with someone that came down with the virus. This would be akin to having a cardiac cath because you are over 70 years old, but show no symptoms of heart disease - makes absolutely no sense at all. The president's physician is rated as one of the top docs in the nation - he knows what he is doing.


A pity his patient doesn't have a clue. His administration shut down the office of pandemic disease. Sort of very unfortunate timing don't ya think? And the contact with a confirmed positive case was only over a week ago not weeks like you say. And as the incubation period is around 14 days anyone in this situation would have to be an idiot to not confirm they were clear rather than going ahead and making contact with many people without knowing. This is how the Utah Jazz player was identified despite having no symptoms himself. So don't tell me people that are high risk shouldn't be tested even when they have no symptoms. Don't forget Trump first said the pandemic was fake news. Such a dumbass. But he insists on demonstrating that over and over.

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#491776 - 03/17/20 05:47 AM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: rikkisbears]
Graham UK Offline
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Registered: 01/20/01
Posts: 1925
Loc: Lincolnshire UK
At least in UK We have a Prime-Minister with some sense.
People complain that the UK is not taking enough measures, but I think they have it right.

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#491779 - 03/17/20 06:47 AM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: rikkisbears]
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7 Coronavirus Myths You Need to Stop Believing,
According to Doctors..


https://bestlifeonline.com/coronavirus-myths/


Edited by Dnj (03/17/20 07:02 AM)

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#491780 - 03/17/20 06:56 AM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: rikkisbears]
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 2580
Loc: Ocala, FL USA
Yes, you do want to test folks with no symptoms. Because you are infected AND shedding virus BEFORE symptoms. People need to stay home EVERYWHERE. But they don't want to...so we will have more outbreak than needed because of it. This not staying home is especially bad with the young, there never home (my kids are a good example). Most everything is closing now, that will help.

This stuff is not just in the air...you have to be specifically exposed to the droplets....outside activity mostly on your own is fine....I fly RC planes....we go out to the field , just a few at a time...all spread out, no touching, and fly in sunshine....pretty safe....
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#491781 - 03/17/20 07:20 AM Re: Corona Virus Break thru, we may have found a cure. [Re: Graham UK]
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Registered: 11/19/17
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Originally Posted By Graham UK
At least in UK We have a Prime-Minister with some sense.
People complain that the UK is not taking enough measures, but I think they have it right.


You will regret it...

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