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#491105 - 03/06/20 02:45 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: Bachus]
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One thing I can’t quite understand, the strange mentality that takes over.
We have had a run on toilet paper, people are hoarding it. You can’t buy any from the supermarkets
It was reported some guy pulled a knife and threatened another person over a last pack of toilet paper.
You’d have to wonder if it’s an April fools day joke, the way some people behave.

Has anything as bizzare as this happened overseas?

It’s a flu type virus, not a stomach virus.

Crazy part is, we don’t import it, ( or maybe some) we actually manufacture the stuff.

Possibly a bigger worry , the behaviour of the human race.
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#491106 - 03/06/20 04:47 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: groovyband.live]
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Originally Posted By groovyband.live
Originally Posted By Bachus
[quote=Crossover]
Italy needs to find out what they did wrong that allowed corona to spread fast


Actually the virus spread throughout Europe starting from Germany:

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_...2416c8af6c.html


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468


Italy was the only European country that stopped all the flights to/from China. Germany did not. And the German government had hospitalized the first European case (a German citizen working for a company with a factory in Wuhan, China) on January 27 (one month before the first case seen in Italy).

Yet they completely failed to promptly recognize the problem, did not take any countermeasure and let the disease spread throughout Europe (the same German company, Webasto, has also a factory in Torino, Italy).

The second link (with a detailed description of the dynamics and chronology), points to a report of the prestigious "The New England Journal of Medicine" and is signed by many German researchers.

Interesting enough, also during the renaissance period the plague was spread in Italy by German (and Swiss) mercenaries (landsknechts).


This first hotspot of Corona in Germany was an example how authorities and the company reacted quickly, so that there was a total of 19 infected people, and the outbreak was completely stopped. For weeks after this hotspot, there were no new cases in n Germany, and only end of February a new massive outbreak started in a totally different region of Germany.

So what you say is nonsense, and your sources don‘t speak about a spread from Germany abroad at that stage either. The 19 infected people in Bavaria were limited to a town outside Munich. No other cases appeared anywhere else in Bavaria at that time and the following weeks. And you speculate the virus „jumped“ from that town to Italy, sparing all the rest of Bavaria and Austria...
Your comment about the plague however makes me wonder: is it your main motivation to play the blame game in a deeper sense?


Edited by Crossover (03/06/20 05:05 AM)

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#491108 - 03/06/20 05:12 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: rikkisbears]
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Originally Posted By rikkisbears

It was reported some guy pulled a knife and threatened another person over a last pack of toilet paper.


I'm sure the guy that had the knife pulled on him needed it more smile.

chas
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#491116 - 03/06/20 06:49 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: cgiles]
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https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europ...-died-on-feb-13


Now after the first European case in Germany (January 27, Germany irresponsibly said nothing and did not take any countermeasure to save the neighboring countries, leaving all possibly infected Germans free to go around Europe),

the truth is floating: on February 13 we had the first Corona virus death in Spain (more than a week before the first case in Italy).

Now it is clear why nobody in Europe (except Italy) were doing tests: they knew they were deeply infected and tried to cover the truth as China tried to do at the beginning. And thus spreading the disease even more.

Even the German government members (who know the actual numbers) do not trust each other:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvy-3x_oi84

You can fool someone forever, all for a while, but not all forever. And now the truth is emerging.
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#491117 - 03/06/20 06:53 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: groovyband.live]
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Originally Posted By groovyband.live
Originally Posted By Bachus
[quote=Crossover]
Italy needs to find out what they did wrong that allowed corona to spread fast


Actually the virus spread throughout Europe starting from Germany:

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_...2416c8af6c.html


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468


Italy was the only European country that stopped all the flights to/from China. Germany did not. And the German government had hospitalized the first European case (a German citizen working for a company with a factory in Wuhan, China) on January 27 (one month before the first case seen in Italy).

Yet they completely failed to promptly recognize the problem, did not take any countermeasure and let the disease spread throughout Europe (the same German company, Webasto, has also a factory in Torino, Italy).

The second link (with a detailed description of the dynamics and chronology), points to a report of the prestigious "The New England Journal of Medicine" and is signed by many German researchers.

Interesting enough, also during the renaissance period the plague was spread in Italy by German (and Swiss) mercenaries (landsknechts).


This attitude is why humanity never seems to get anywhere..

Try and admit your faults and flaws Italy,..
Only then you will do better next time..

And most of all, stop blaiming others, thats what started almost evry war in history..

I have many complaints about how we handle things currently in Holland..
but here clearly all traces lead to Italy..
As in the first 19 corona sicks all visited Italy.
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#491118 - 03/06/20 07:33 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: Crossover]
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Originally Posted By Crossover

This first hotspot of Corona in Germany was an example how authorities and the company reacted quickly, so that there was a total of 19 infected people, and the outbreak was completely stopped. For weeks after this hotspot, there were no new cases in n Germany, and only end of February a new massive outbreak started in a totally different region of Germany.

So what you say is nonsense, and your sources don‘t speak about a spread from Germany abroad at that stage either. The 19 infected people in Bavaria were limited to a town outside Munich. No other cases appeared anywhere else in Bavaria at that time and the following weeks. And you speculate the virus „jumped“ from that town to Italy, sparing all the rest of Bavaria and Austria...



If you read my first link:

(ANSA) - Rome, March 5 - The coronavirus entered Europe more than once and the first hotbed may have been isolated at Munich in Germany in January, according to a genetic map published Thursday on the Netxstrain site.

The site was founded and directed by a group led by Trevor Bedford, of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.

The map, a sort of family tree of the virus, indicates that the German hotbed may have silently fed the chain of infection and is linked to many cases in Europe and Italy.
Italy reported its first coronavirus case on February 21.



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With all the world worried about the Corona virus and looking at China, it would have been interesting to know that on January 27 there was a spread of disease in Germany.
Yet the German government did NOT say it and nobody knew. This is exactly the same policy carried out by China at the beginning of January: try to cover up the problem so that the world does not know.

But now the DNA test shows the truth: that German outbreak has silently fed all the other following cases in Europe (including the ones in Italy).

Sorry you (as your government) do not like it, but that, according to the researchers in Seattle (USA), is the hard truth.
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#491119 - 03/06/20 08:02 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: groovyband.live]
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Originally Posted By groovyband.live
Originally Posted By Crossover

This first hotspot of Corona in Germany was an example how authorities and the company reacted quickly, so that there was a total of 19 infected people, and the outbreak was completely stopped. For weeks after this hotspot, there were no new cases in n Germany, and only end of February a new massive outbreak started in a totally different region of Germany.

So what you say is nonsense, and your sources don‘t speak about a spread from Germany abroad at that stage either. The 19 infected people in Bavaria were limited to a town outside Munich. No other cases appeared anywhere else in Bavaria at that time and the following weeks. And you speculate the virus „jumped“ from that town to Italy, sparing all the rest of Bavaria and Austria...



If you read my first link:

(ANSA) - Rome, March 5 - The coronavirus entered Europe more than once and the first hotbed may have been isolated at Munich in Germany in January, according to a genetic map published Thursday on the Netxstrain site.

The site was founded and directed by a group led by Trevor Bedford, of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.

The map, a sort of family tree of the virus, indicates that the German hotbed may have silently fed the chain of infection and is linked to many cases in Europe and Italy.
Italy reported its first coronavirus case on February 21.



* * *

With all the world worried about the Corona virus and looking at China, it would have been interesting to know that on January 27 there was a spread of disease in Germany.
Yet the German government did NOT say it and nobody knew. This is exactly the same policy carried out by China at the beginning of January: try to cover up the problem so that the world does not know.

But now the DNA test shows the truth: that German outbreak has silently fed all the other following cases in Europe (including the ones in Italy).

Sorry you (as your government) do not like it, but that, according to the researchers in Seattle (USA), is the hard truth.


WHERE in your source do they say the small outbreak in Munich lead to a further transmission to other European countries? I can't find it.
The news in Germany was FULL OF REPORTS about this outbreak in Bavaria end of January. It is totally absurd to say something was conceiled.

News from February 1st:
https://www.tagesschau.de/coronavirus-deutschland-117.html

News from January 28th:
https://www.stern.de/gesundheit/gesundhe...rk-9111798.html

News from January 27th:
https://www.antenne.de/experten-tipps/ge...nberg-infiziert

News in English from January 28th:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-confirms-three-further-cases-of-coronavirus/a-52181064

News from FRANCE24 from January 27th:
https://www.france24.com/en/20200128-germany-confirms-first-case-of-deadly-coronavirus

Comparing Germany to China in terms of transparency... preposterous statements, sorry...

BTW, this pattern reminds me of something from a few weeks ago in this forum.


Edited by Crossover (03/06/20 08:07 AM)

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#491123 - 03/06/20 09:56 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: Bachus]
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It’s a world problem and pointing fingers provides nothing useful, so get over it as no one cares where it came from at the present time, everything should be focussed on fixing it, and recriminations can come after it is fixed. (Some of the human race is pathetic in times of crisis)

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#491132 - 03/06/20 11:32 AM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: cgiles]
rikkisbears Offline
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Originally Posted By rikkisbears

It was reported some guy pulled a knife and threatened another person over a last pack of toilet paper.


I'm sure the guy that had the knife pulled on him needed it more smile.

chas


Frightening , isn’t it, how common sense just evaporates.
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#491138 - 03/06/20 12:10 PM Re: Musik Messe delayd [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
It’s a world problem and pointing fingers provides nothing useful, so get over it as no one cares where it came from at the present time, everything should be focussed on fixing it, and recriminations can come after it is fixed. (Some of the human race is pathetic in times of crisis)

Bill


Thewhole point of thistopic was discussing the influence of corona on the music industry..
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