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#488207 - 01/31/20 10:24 AM O/T Instrument Modeling technology
salsaman Offline
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Take a look at this amazing technology. I can only imagine that this technology is going to filter down into our arranger keyboards. I'm sure that Yamaha, Korg, Roland and Ketron are watching this very closely. This company has really nailed it in terms of instrument simulation. This will allow any keyboard player to enjoy playing other instruments without having to spend years practicing the violin or other wind instruments. AMAZING!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fiUOKdE500
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#488208 - 01/31/20 10:38 AM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: salsaman]
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Looks interesting for sure....
but in reality will it become mainstream.
Seems like we are always getting farther away from
the "real" instruments themselves.
Will be interesting to see where this leads.
Thanx for sharing.

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#488210 - 01/31/20 11:42 AM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: salsaman]
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SWAM As many other innovations comes from Italy..

Just for your knowledge this tech from SWAM is also comming to the ipad..

On my IPAD i am allready using their host camelot pro, that turns software and hardware into a single setup..
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#488211 - 01/31/20 11:47 AM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: salsaman]
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I’ll be buying their sax VST soon. A friend has it and I’ve spent a lot of time using it in his home studio. It’s freaking amazing, and you have to experience this program for yourself. The breath controller takes some practice, but using a pedal is just butter! I’d love to have Swams entire collection, but it’s not cheap.

I think the industry is long overdue for this tech to become mainstream. Physical modeling has been around for quite a few years now, and it’s getting really good. A great example is IK Multimedia’s MODO Bass and MODO Drums. Plus a huge benefit is that physical modeling (when done correctly) is very CPU friendly, and they don’t require a massive sound library.

Applied Acoustic Systems (AAS) uses physical modeling too. It’s actually used exclusively on a few of their products, but they need to update the modeling. I have Strum Session, and while it’s good for backing guitar it’s not the most realistic in solo/keyboard mode.

Sqk


Edited by squeak_D (01/31/20 12:03 PM)
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#488213 - 01/31/20 11:55 AM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: salsaman]
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Hi Salsaman,
I hadn’t realised it’s actually software?

Sounds amazing.
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#488227 - 01/31/20 07:38 PM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: rikkisbears]
Torch Offline
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Actually physical modeling in hardware was introduced by Yamaha in the early 90s as some of us would remember. It's a shame that Yamaha stopped it a long time ago. Yamaha VL-70m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7pC4o5Mb2w Yamaha VL1 or its module - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYWxCrz3vmQ
Yamaha EX5 or its module - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYaj74agaIo
Or Yamaha plug-in cards for various modules and keyboards.
I understand that GSI uses physical modeling for some of the sounds in their module.
I don't think that Audio Modeling did as well for the strings as they did for woodwinds. They were running 50% pre-order sales for brass last month, but the demos were pretty bad as many noted, and I didn't buy them.
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#488228 - 01/31/20 08:32 PM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: salsaman]
Fran Carango Offline
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Also the Technics sx-WSA1 (90's).


And today we have Roland's SuperNatural.


Back in the late 80's, I had a video cassette of Eric Persing demoing a Roland controller with breath control, aftertouch, mod wheel. and pitch bend.. He used Sax samples from Roland, and played the most realistic sax for the time period.


Edited by Fran Carango (01/31/20 08:41 PM)
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#488230 - 02/01/20 12:00 AM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: Fran Carango]
Torch Offline
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Of course, Roland's Supernatural. I think Roland calls it behavior modeling. Come to think of it, my Roland's V accordions employ their behavior modeling. Here's Roland's Supernatural sax driven by Linnstrument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzociqFc3sw
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#488234 - 02/01/20 03:01 AM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch
Of course, Roland's Supernatural. I think Roland calls it behavior modeling. Come to think of it, my Roland's V accordions employ their behavior modeling. Here's Roland's Supernatural sax driven by Linnstrument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzociqFc3sw


Roland supernatural is still based on samples, its Rolands answer to the Yamaha SA2 voices... which just like Roland combine modeling with sampling..
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#488235 - 02/01/20 04:53 AM Re: O/T Instrument Modeling technology [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus

Roland supernatural is still based on samples, its Rolands answer to the Yamaha SA2 voices... which just like Roland combine modeling with sampling..



As does my Crumar SEVEN. All the primary voices are created through physical modeling and the 3 variations from sampling technology. The consensus is that the 'modeling' voices are best but SOME of the samples are just as good (in the opinion of most). Either way, a superb instrument that's a joy to play and, IMO, the absolute best collection of electric pianos available.

chas
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