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#487760 - 01/25/20 04:57 PM My Legend Exp (organ module)
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I bought this to have what I thought would be the equivalent of my KeyB which is not in my studio room. I was disappointed as I never thought it sounded as good as my KeyB although it was supposed to have the same sound engine as my KeyB's replacement. Of course the KeyB was playing through 15" EV's and the EXP module is playing through my 8" studio monitors. For that reason I never played it much and NEVER recorded it (which was the main reason I bought it). For some reason, I decided to do a quick record on it today and didn't think it sounded too bad. The classic "888" didn't/doesn't have the 'bite' or grit as the KeyB (or real 'B'). I'll try increasing the OD. The bass (LM linked to Pedals) sounds pretty good but the Leslie Sim is a little shakey. Also the "848" on the lower manual is not as 'creamy' as on the KeyB.

Anyhoo, I did some test tracks to check the recorded sound (to see if it sounded better than the 'live' sound). No rhythm guitar so just 'dubbed the melody/solo. One shot (you can hear all the bloopers smile ) 'cause it was just a test/practice recording. Bob (my guitarist) is coming over sunday so I'll do it again with guitar (comp & solo). I'll post that. In the meantime, here's practice run #1. BTW, I control the module with my old Nord C1 which makes THE perfect controller (I have it's own sounds muted).

https://app.box.com/s/b2ssh5prmjjjh56tnopibu8896k0zdnn

chas
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#487761 - 01/25/20 05:19 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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Really nice Chas thank you so much for sharing...
A foggy day no more when you break through the clouds with that searing Hammond sound!
More please... clap

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#487763 - 01/25/20 05:55 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: Dnj]
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Chas, that’s the first time I heard you play, nice. From now on I will take a closer look on what you post. (smile)

Thank you for sharing, John C.

PS, I went back to listen again, you are playng the style I love most.


Edited by bruno123 (01/25/20 06:00 PM)

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#487767 - 01/25/20 07:40 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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Nice job Chas....listened to the end smile
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#487768 - 01/25/20 08:52 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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Thanks Donny, John, and Zuki, but it really WAS just a 'foolin' around' kind of recording. But here's a thought. A lot of the people here are committed arranger players but have shown a strong interest in having a 'better-than-average', easily controllable, organ voice BUT without the expense and hassle of a dedicated clonewheel. This module (Legend EXP) could be the answer for some. It's inexpensive, lightweight, has REAL organ controls, and sounds good. To maximize it's utility, you really need an expression pedal and a (slow/stop/fast) leslie (half-moon) switch. You can link, say, the bottom two octaves of the lower manual to the pedal voice which will give you a nice percussive bass without foot pedals (which are also supported). Just sayin'.

chas
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#487769 - 01/25/20 08:59 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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Not bad for an old guy smile


Here is an E-A7 offering... Not intended as competition ( never wished to compete with friends)... grin

https://app.box.com/s/wi0vhsuyi2xsb6dq7eyej69dfl3jds6g
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#487770 - 01/25/20 09:36 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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No problem Fran. If I thought it was a competition, I'd spend more time rehearsing it (and working out a decent solo smile ). Nice job, but of course you cheat; I notice you post your songs in WAV format while the rest of us dummies render to MP3 smile. Seriously, you really can hear the difference in clarity and realism. A couple of comments on your tune.
1. Perfect tempo for that style
2. Drums sound really good but a hair too loud (my opinion only)
3. Bass is too loud (maybe not to loud, maybe just to 'prominent' - again, just a matter of taste).
4. Piano too loud towards the end (sounds somewhat unbalanced)

These are all MIXING problems (if even problems) normalizing or, in the case of the piano track, maybe just using a limiter effect (just on the track - alternative is to do it manually - a PITA smile ).

I know you know that this is offered only as CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and is highly subjective anyway. If you're like me (super lazy), you probably didn't spend a huge amount of time mixing it down. In any case, I'm really glad to see some of us still doing the old classic standards. They all come from the 'golden age of music' but, full disclosure, I do them mainly because I've been playing them for 50 years and don't have to sit down and learn them smile. It's also the reason half the chords are probably wrong smile. One of the perks of being old, you can get away with so much stuff smile.

BTW, if you're ever down this way, let me know. I've met a few ol' fart (but first rate) musicians down here who I know you would enjoy meeting.

chas
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#487778 - 01/26/20 05:59 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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According to Viscount..
That now manage the brand Keyb
Its exactly the same sound engine.

So the difference you feel, might have todo with the keys you play on?

Anyway, i enjoyed your recording, and sounded quite realistic to me..
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#487779 - 01/26/20 06:22 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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Chas, Love it, you certainly have the talent! I always enjoy what you post! Excellent.

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#487780 - 01/26/20 06:35 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Thanks Steve, and somewhat belated condolences on the recent passing of your mother. What was very sobering to me was that she was still active (driving) so recently. Makes all of us, especially in our age group, realize how quickly things can change.

Hope you're experiencing good weather down there (I assume you're in Florida). We've been lucky here in north Georgia, none of that bad NorthEast stuff smile. Sounds like Tony had to leave the country to get away from it smile smile.

chas
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#487782 - 01/26/20 06:54 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: Bachus]
cgiles Offline
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Originally Posted By Bachus
According to Viscount..
That now manage the brand Keyb
Its exactly the same sound engine.

So the difference you feel, might have todo with the keys you play on?

Anyway, i enjoyed your recording, and sounded quite realistic to me..


Thanks Bachus. You may be right but the C1 is not transmitting any velocity messages and the key feel is very similar to the KeyB. It's probably the speakers because it does sound better on the recording than 'live'. Also, there may be some subtle differences in the way I've configured the two; I've never bothered to hook them up side by side (just lazy smile ). Also, I've never heard a side-by-side sound comparison of the EXP vs the the console models (Legend and Legend Live). If they all have the same sound engine, then they sure packed a lot of electronic circuitry into that small module. Guess I'll have to believe them until I hear the comparison (live) for myself.

BTW, you replaced (with the Montage) the only board I ever wanted and didn't buy, the Kronos. Are you satisfied with the replacement? How would you characterize the differences between the two. Was it because the Kronos was getting a little 'long in the tooth' (older technology)? I got the Fantom G at the time and always regretted it. I've started to re-visit the Fantom but never really liked the sound set.

chas


Edited by cgiles (01/26/20 06:56 AM)
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#487785 - 01/26/20 07:37 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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did you do this in one take? REALLY NICE!

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#487786 - 01/26/20 07:42 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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Wow Chas! Super kickin' on that organ! I soooooo love the B3 jazz stuff and man you nailed it! Definitely post more - one of my all time regrets has been that I grew up just a tad too late to be able to work the lounges with a swingin' B3 trio. Encore please!
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#487791 - 01/26/20 07:56 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: saxxman]
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I really want to hear what players can do on Hammond
not playing JAZZ songs....not necessarily Chas but anyone on you tube etc?.
or someone playing Hammond and singing too...?

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#487795 - 01/26/20 08:31 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
I really want to hear what players can do on Hammond
not playing JAZZ songs....not necessarily Chas but anyone on you tube etc?.
or someone playing Hammond and singing too...?


Here you go Donny!

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#487799 - 01/26/20 08:44 AM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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I love Alan McPike, always admired his flawless pedal work and excellent taste.

Next to Jazz organists (B3 only), I love to listen to (and watch) Gospel organists. Talk about creative smile smile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abFTlCPsSlM&t=70s

and the inimitable Cory Henry (Snarky Puppy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwO7rQD_uZU

Also, the SKX is a nice board but not for me. As you can see from my purchasing history, I'm 'dedicated clonewheel' all the way. If you do get a SKX, make sure you get a good quality Expression pedal and a 'Leslie' switch.

chas
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#487812 - 01/26/20 12:12 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: bruno123]
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Originally Posted By bruno123
Chas, that’s the first time I heard you play, nice.


Hi Chas, me too.

Sounded brilliant.
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#487817 - 01/26/20 12:51 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: rikkisbears]
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chas ... I've heard you play before, and I never get tired of it ...
Thanks for posting that ...

PS: Yes, we've taken a trip to the Holy Land - it has been an AMAZING experience ...
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#487819 - 01/26/20 01:01 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Thanks Rikki. We DO love those old tunes smile.

Tony, thanks and kudos to you. Looks like you've figured out what retirement SHOULD be about. I'm betting there are a few more exciting adventures left on your journey. Now THAT'S the way to spend the kids inheritance smile.

chas
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#487841 - 01/26/20 04:04 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
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What do the millennial's think about this type of music you think?..

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#487844 - 01/26/20 04:14 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Not much. 1. They don't know the tunes and 2. this type of organ jazz was popular in the 60's and 70's. Never was a 'general public' kind of thing, mostly popular with musicians and a certain sector of jazz fans. Doesn't bother me 'cause I like it. It's a niche form of jazz, simpler than bop but more complex than R&B or R&R. A few stalwarts like Joey D and Tony Monaco help keep it alive.

chas
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#487846 - 01/26/20 04:20 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: cgiles]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Not much. 1. They don't know the tunes and 2. this type of organ jazz was popular in the 60's and 70's. Never was a 'general public' kind of thing, mostly popular with musicians and a certain sector of jazz fans. Doesn't bother me 'cause I like it. It's a niche form of jazz, simpler than bop but more complex than R&B or R&R. A few stalwarts like Joey D and Tony Monaco help keep it alive.

chas


Yes I agree playing it at home is your solace and makes you happy nothing wrong with that...sad that it can't be more popular with the new generation...

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#487934 - 01/27/20 12:51 PM Re: My Legend Exp (organ module) [Re: Dnj]
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My favorite style.

My favorite musician here.

One deeply appreciated, very close friend.

Russ

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