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#485768 - 01/04/20 07:46 AM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: Fran Carango]
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Originally Posted By Fran Carango
All arranger keyboards are designed to use "C" as the basic received key, for uniformity.
If you record your data in say, Ab, when you play the key of "C" in recognition, you will hear the key of Ab.

Same goes for sampling, you have to give the key you are sampling in, so the keyboard can translate properly.


Exactly Fran....well said..

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#485781 - 01/04/20 08:55 AM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
how many people here are really doing major style editing on their arranger keyboards....reading some of these posts it seems most just want to find a style close enough and push start and play with minimum effort in the tweaking department....or use a stripped down mute parts version......vs digging deep into major part edits, changes, re records, etc etc ..


The vast majority of styles on my Pa900 have been 'tweaked' to some extent, even if only to change factory voices or pads (sometimes I wonder what the designers were thinking when assigning voices and pads to a particular style) ...

While the style assigned to a particular song has been edited, named, and saved in another location for THAT song, how I use the style may depend on the venue ... In most 'Senior' venues (NH/AL) my main goal is to get the audience singing along with me - and dancing when they can - so the variations and nuances added by Pads, etc. are pretty much lost ... In a setting where the audience is pretty much just listening to me, those little 'nuances' become more important.
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#485782 - 01/04/20 09:04 AM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: tony mads usa]
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Try using only the multipads for an UNPLUGGED treatment
while playing/singing a song....maybe a guitar ballad strum etc..
gives a nice chage of pace in a program.

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#485798 - 01/04/20 09:48 AM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: Dnj]
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Yes, Donny, I've done that ... works very well for the right song ...
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#485844 - 01/04/20 04:37 PM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: Dnj]
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how many people here are really doing major style editing on their arranger keyboards....reading some of these posts it seems most just want to find a style close enough and push start and play with minimum effort in the tweaking department....or use a stripped down mute parts version......vs digging deep into major part edits, changes, re records, etc etc .. Doony


Come on Donny, this is a great topic, I didn’t complain reading about your keyboard crazys. (smile)

We are sharing what we know, trying to help others.
John C.

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#485847 - 01/04/20 04:43 PM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: bruno123]
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
Originally Posted By bruno123
My question: And why not the key of C major?

Rikki, If there is a reason to record in another key please let us know.
John C.


Hi John,
I have no idea why anyone would want to record in other than the key of C , only know that it’s possible.

Maybe not necessarily the best key for Eastern music ? really don’t know. A lot of non western Korg owners create their own styles. Maybe they need choice.

Only time I might use it , would be if I was using a couple of bars from a midi file track to create a style track or even a multi pad.
Easier to set the correct scale and chord type, in settings , than transpose the file.
If the settings are correct the keyboard will follow and do its job .

I think even our SX styles can be recorded in different keys if one needs to

Quote page 22 reference manual


Set the Source Root/Chord if necessary
Although the default Source Root/Chord is set to CM7 as described above, you can change this to any desired one in which you can play easily. Call up the “SFF Edit” display, set the Source Root and Chord to the favorite or desired Root and Chord type. Keep in mind that when you change the Source Chord from the default CM7 to another chord, the chord notes and recommended notes will also change. For details, refer to page 27.

Makes interesting reading for anyone interested in recording styles.
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#485855 - 01/04/20 06:59 PM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: Uncle Dave]
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I don't "edit" styles, per se... but I do change the instruments if they don't fit what I'm attempting to accomplish with the song. Multi-pads often fill voids if needed. One of my greatest "gripes" is the Mega Voices. Often, when they are replaced with another instrument... the new selection sounds terrible because of the programming used to create the Mega voice. Often accompanied by a high-pitched squeal.

When that happens, I have to turn off that "track" and improvise.

The good news... Arrangers are still great... and if that particular style does not work, others can be found eventually.

Rikki... I hope the fires have not impacted you. Pretty terrible event going on in NSW.

----Dave

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#485866 - 01/05/20 03:30 AM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: Riceroni9]
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Originally Posted By Riceroni9
I don't "edit" styles, per se... but I do change the instruments if they don't fit what I'm attempting to accomplish with the song. Multi-pads often fill voids if needed. One of my greatest "gripes" is the Mega Voices. Often, when they are replaced with another instrument... the new selection sounds terrible because of the programming used to create the Mega voice. Often accompanied by a high-pitched squeal.

When that happens, I have to turn off that "track" and improvise.

The good news... Arrangers are still great... and if that particular style does not work, others can be found eventually.

Rikki... I hope the fires have not impacted you. Pretty terrible event going on in NSW.

----Dave


Hi Dave,
have you ever considered replacing the track using Assembly function? I suppose it depends on how many styles you would need to alter.
So many of the styles have carried thru from the earlier model keyboards, maybe there’s a duplicate style available without mega voice that you could copy from.
That way you’re still using your original style with a track replacement.

Thank you for asking Dave, closest fire to us at the moment is about 20 miles away.
So reasonably safe. Just a lot of smoke for the last few weeks.
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#485870 - 01/05/20 06:24 AM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Hi Rikki:

Glad to know you are a few miles away from the fire(s) down there.

My use of styles is somewhat different than those who perform. Once I've made a reasonably acceptable recording, I maintain a "log" of settings for that song and attach it to the lyric and chord sheet, then file a hard copy away. That way, years later, I can return if needed and re-record the song using slight changes... or even major changes. I know, this is a "dinosaur" approach but it works for me and I've lost more computers (and the material they contain) than I care to mention.

Now, I never connect the music storage and editing computer(s) to the Internet. The only risk occurs when I transfer files using memory sticks.

Thanks for the suggestion about the Assembly Function. At my age, time is my enemy. LOL!

Regards, ----Dave

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#485893 - 01/05/20 11:34 AM Re: Style edit on SX-S series [Re: Riceroni9]
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
Originally Posted By Riceroni9
Hi Rikki:

Glad to know you are a few miles away from the fire(s) down there.

My use of styles is somewhat different than those who perform. Once I've made a reasonably acceptable recording, I maintain a "log" of settings for that song and attach it to the lyric and chord sheet, then file a hard copy away. That way, years later, I can return if needed and re-record the song using slight changes... or even major changes. I know, this is a "dinosaur" approach but it works for me and I've lost more computers (and the material they contain) than I care to mention.

Now, I never connect the music storage and editing computer(s) to the Internet. The only risk occurs when I transfer files using memory sticks.

Thanks for the suggestion about the Assembly Function. At my age, time is my enemy. LOL!

Regards, ----Dave



Hi Dave,
fair enough.

Actually until SX., I used to just jot down which style / styles to use for a song , on my sheet music. ( in pencil though, kept changing my mind . Haha).
I don’t record though, sound better in my own head than in reality. Haha
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