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#485513 - 12/31/19 06:59 PM Question on Sx Multi-pads.
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Hi,
Have a question on using looping multi pads.
Was considering just say, muting piano track in a style and using a piano multi pad instead.
I set it up in registrations.
Ie mute piano vari 1, play multi pad 1 instead. Synced up perfectly using the registration 1.

Next I decided to mute piano var1 2, chose multi pad 2, but discovered unless I pressed the Stop Button before changing registrations both pads played even though I had only saved one of the pads to each of the registrations.

Don’t know if I’m doing something wrong when saving registration, or if that’s just the way yamaha pads work.

I did find a work around, but a bit messy.
Pressing stop button isn’t an option for me as I can’t reach it because of the way I have my p121 and Sx set up.

Mainly checking if this is the way it works or if I’m doing something wrong.
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#485646 - 01/02/20 09:42 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
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Hi ,
well, was told on Yamaha forum, that’s the way yamaha looping pads do work, unless the stop button is pressed subsequent pads just get added.

Had a couple of suggestions on the forum which included stop pads.
Ended up with a mix of their suggestions and my own .

What I ended up doing was splitting up the Piano Arp 8 Beat Multi Pad by copying each of the Pads to button 1 ie pad 1 position 1 delete the other 3 and save. Pad 2 position 1 , delete the other 3 etc.
Ended up with 4 single multi pads.

Then saved each one to to a different registration memory and muted the piano track.

Also set sync start to the multi pad before saving to the registration. This way new Multi-pad only kicks in after playing chord in left hand.

Bit messy, but I was hoping to create a few piano pads to audition with some of the factory styles .

It was easier on the korg, but at least it is a possibility.

Love those registrations.


Edited by rikkisbears (01/02/20 09:43 PM)
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#485657 - 01/03/20 01:29 AM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
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I envy you creative people,but, to thine own self be true and you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Here endeth the lesson.

Rikki, you have always been good at this stuff.

Bernie


Edited by Bernie9 (01/03/20 01:29 AM)
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#485660 - 01/03/20 03:27 AM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: Bernie9]
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Rikki, my best guess. Yamaha had a reason for setting the pads to work that way. Your job, my job is to discover what they are saying -------- or invent a way we are comfortable with. With the Kn7000, and the pa4x I used the pads a lot. (nice words “a lot”)

I will begin to work with the pads this week. I wonder if it’s possible to copy a part from one group of pads, and add to another pad. I did this with the Pa4x, four of my favorite pads into one. There were times when I recorded my own pads. Playing with drums and bass, and four pads, changed the style a lot. (there I go again)

A healthy new year, and keep enjoy your Sx900, John C.

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#485662 - 01/03/20 05:20 AM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: bruno123]
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Originally Posted By bruno123
Rikki, my best guess. Yamaha had a reason for setting the pads to work that way. Your job, my job is to discover what they are saying -------- or invent a way we are comfortable with. With the Kn7000, and the pa4x I used the pads a lot. (nice words “a lot”)

I will begin to work with the pads this week. I wonder if it’s possible to copy a part from one group of pads, and add to another pad. I did this with the Pa4x, four of my favorite pads into one. There were times when I recorded my own pads. Playing with drums and bass, and four pads, changed the style a lot. (there I go again)

A healthy new year, and keep enjoy your Sx900, John C.


John you can easily record your own multipads it's all inside the kb...try it you'll like it.here is a few collections to get started with more multipads..


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#485663 - 01/03/20 05:21 AM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: Dnj]
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JOhn & all..Here are more Yamaha multipads enjoy..


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#485700 - 01/03/20 01:39 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9
I envy you creative people,but, to thine own self be true and you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Here endeth the lesson.

Rikki, you have always been good at this stuff.

Bernie


Hi Bernie

Used to be. ( I was just hopeless at music itself haha) I was a technology junkie back in the 80’s /90’s. Used to love reading manuals. Had a partime job in a music store in the office answering help calls, and doing lessons on how to use your keyboard, workstation whatever.
Scariest task they asked me to do , was front a class of 40 or so music students. The school had bought a workstation and couldn’t work out how to use it. I finally agreed I’d do it, only one problem, it’s one I’d never owned, they didn’t have a second workstation for me to take home and try out, only the Manual. Haha
It actually worked out well, I fudged my way thru it. Haha

Stopped reading manuals, but still enjoy working stuff out. Only problem is, brain doesn’t work as well as it used to. Haha
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#485701 - 01/03/20 01:42 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
rikkisbears Offline
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Thank you for the pads Donny,
I’ll have to download when I get my laptop set up.
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#485702 - 01/03/20 01:58 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
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Donny, thanks again, I'll think of you when I start fiddling.

Best of everything my friend, John C.

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#485703 - 01/03/20 02:00 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: bruno123]
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
Originally Posted By bruno123
Rikki, my best guess. Yamaha had a reason for setting the pads to work that way. Your job, my job is to discover what they are saying -------- or invent a way we are comfortable with. With the Kn7000, and the pa4x I used the pads a lot. (nice words “a lot”)

I will begin to work with the pads this week. I wonder if it’s possible to copy a part from one group of pads, and add to another pad. I did this with the Pa4x, four of my favorite pads into one. There were times when I recorded my own pads. Playing with drums and bass, and four pads, changed the style a lot. (there I go again)

A healthy new year, and keep enjoy your Sx900, John C.


Hi John,
looks like yamaha pads are set up to be added to or you have to press stop button .
Most instances probably fine.
Good part is you can set them to sync start in a Registration , but not to stop.
Hence I had to set up my 4 pads as individual multi pads, so that I would only get one pad playing at a time. With my p121 /sx setup I can’t reach stop button.

I don’t think you can mix n match pads from different groups in the sx itself. ( like the korg) There is free software available that should allow you to do it. Haven’t tried it yet.
There is a certain amount of onboard editing, ie copy and paste, but I think it may just be for the pad you’re editing at the time. I’m doing some more checking later today, be great if I’m proven wrong. There’s also step edit and record and record of course.

Basically pretty good on the whole.

If you are going to have up to 4 pads playing at the same time, you shouldn’t have any problems, that’s the way it’s designed to play them.

Happy New Year to you too John.
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#485704 - 01/03/20 02:13 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
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Originally Posted By rikkisbears
Thank you for the pads Donny,
I’ll have to download when I get my laptop set up.


Please enjoy ...I hope they will be useful for you...
good luck

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#485705 - 01/03/20 02:13 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: bruno123]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By bruno123
Donny, thanks again, I'll think of you when I start fiddling.

Best of everything my friend, John C.


Go for it John .....there are some goodies in there for sure....
have fun!

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#485711 - 01/03/20 04:47 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
rikkisbears Offline
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Originally Posted By rikkisbears

I don’t think you can mix n match pads from different groups in the sx itself. ( like the korg) There is free software available that should allow you to do it. Haven’t tried it yet.
There is a certain amount of onboard editing, ie copy and paste, but I think it may just be for the pad you’re editing at the time. I’m doing some more checking later today, be great if I’m proven wrong. There’s also step edit and record and record of course.


BRILLIANT, I was wrong, you can mix n match pads from various multi pads.

Main screen, tap multi pad icon.
Choose preset or User.
Pick Pad
Press Menu , Multi Pad Edit
Choose pad you want to copy, press copy icon
Press X to exit
Choose Multi Pad to want to copy to
Press Menu , Multi pad Edit
Choose pad you want to replace
Press Paste
Press X
Up pops screen asking if you want to Save.
It takes you to User, Save here, you rename etc etc

How brilliant, doesn’t require external software, maybe previous model psr’s did? don’t know as I never did much with my s950.

Just gets better and better a John.

If you do write pads to your Registrations
Press Sync Start ( the Multi-pads sync start) and your multi pad/s , before you save to Registration if you want it to sync to your style.
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#485712 - 01/03/20 04:59 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
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As a non-Yammie user, I find reading all these posts about setting up the KB to ones liking and needs very interesting ... kind of like reading Greek, but interesting none the less ...
That being said could someone explain the difference between a 'multi pad' and a pad ?
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#485729 - 01/03/20 09:14 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By tony mads usa
As a non-Yammie user, I find reading all these posts about setting up the KB to ones liking and needs very interesting ... kind of like reading Greek, but interesting none the less ...
That being said could someone explain the difference between a 'multi pad' and a pad ?


Hi Tony,
same thing actually , I’m probably confusing things. , sorry. I’m sort of referring to Multi-pads when it’s referring to all 4 of them in a bank Vs pad when I’m referring to having a single one in the bank. The single one is not the norm, just my work around.
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#485759 - 01/04/20 06:51 AM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
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Hi Rikki::

Interesting solution. I wondered if the free "PadMaker" available at the PSR site might work for you. I've thought about exploring it but just don't have time to break away to learn.

I "cut and pasted" your solution so I can give it a try on the 970 to see if it works there, too. You have my complete envy about owning the SX 900. Sounds like a great machine.

Happy New Year,

----Dave

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#485772 - 01/04/20 08:38 AM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: rikkisbears]
tony mads usa Offline
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Originally Posted By rikkisbears
Originally Posted By tony mads usa
As a non-Yammie user, I find reading all these posts about setting up the KB to ones liking and needs very interesting ... kind of like reading Greek, but interesting none the less ...
That being said could someone explain the difference between a 'multi pad' and a pad ?


Hi Tony,
same thing actually , I’m probably confusing things. , sorry. I’m sort of referring to Multi-pads when it’s referring to all 4 of them in a bank Vs pad when I’m referring to having a single one in the bank. The single one is not the norm, just my work around.


Thanks, Rikki, ... From reading the posts, it seems to me that changing pads in a style on KORG is a lot easier, although I have never tried to have different pads in different variations of the same style ...
And on KORG if one pad is playing and you press a button for another, the first keeps playing also ... I would think that it is designed that way to help 'build up' the style while changing through variations.
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#485837 - 01/04/20 04:05 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By tony mads usa


Thanks, Rikki, ... From reading the posts, it seems to me that changing pads in a style on KORG is a lot easier, although I have never tried to have different pads in different variations of the same style ...
And on KORG if one pad is playing and you press a button for another, the first keeps playing also ... I would think that it is designed that way to help 'build up' the style while changing through variations.


Hi Tony,
Thank you for clarifying that for me. I must have been using the pedal to stop first one playing after choosing the next one. Its been a long time since I used the pads on Pa4x. I had the keyboards packed up for over a year.
My plan for the korg pads originally was to create a library of looping piano, guitar pads , that could replace a style track, not actually add extra instruments to the style. Could use pads for auditioning with various styles and then actually copy pad into the style itself , one to a certain degree has a new style. Again, not normally the way a multi pad is used, but I ‘ve always liked the idea of having a phrase library

The sx multi pad editing and playback may not be as difficult as I had thought at first. I just had a wrong recollection of how the korg pads worked. ( failing memory) haha

One thing that was brilliant on the korg though, was that you could create a multi pad from a style track, and vice versa , a multi pad could be copied into a style and become one of the style tracks, very easily.

You can definitely mix n match your Multi-pads in the korg.
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Korg PA5X 88 note
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#485839 - 01/04/20 04:17 PM Re: Question on Sx Multi-pads. [Re: Riceroni9]
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Originally Posted By Riceroni9
Hi Rikki::

Interesting solution. I wondered if the free "PadMaker" available at the PSR site might work for you. I've thought about exploring it but just don't have time to break away to learn.

I "cut and pasted" your solution so I can give it a try on the 970 to see if it works there, too. You have my complete envy about owning the SX 900. Sounds like a great machine.

Happy New Year,

----Dave


Hi Dave,
thank you. I think I have Pad Maker on my pc. Could be useful for creating some new ones. Might check into it later today, really have no idea what it does.

Hopefully s970 has same functions for editing etc as the sx. Unfortunately I wouldn’t have a clue.

If not, maybe we can get you sorted out with pad maker, if it does what you need.

Happy new year to you also.




Edited by rikkisbears (01/04/20 04:17 PM)
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