Thanks Mike! Good comparison by Jeremy!

And he makes a good argument for the 700. The only big thing missing is the chord looper IMO.

VH2

I don't like the Yamaha harmony anyway so just add an external unit.

So why don't you like it be interested in your
reasoning on VH@ vs other units..?

Not to start a whole thing on this subject again, but from what I have heard in demos (and I have not used it myself-I had a 750) the Yamaha harmony is not as good as TC Helicon which is built-in to Korg units. That is just my opinion. In fact, I believe you have argued the very same thing before (TC helicon is better), if memory serves. EDIT: [Quote Donny] "the TRACKING is far Superior then anything Yamaha VH,VH2 has ever made." [end quote]

However, I will say that as a person currently playing at home only, the Yamaha harmony would probably be fine for my purposes. The point is, the 700 is a good deal and I agree with See on that.

EDIT: Here is a thread where Gary posted a comparison between TC Helicon Harmony-M and VH2. Almost everyone thought (without knowing which was which) the TC sounded better.

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/438448/1

It is no secret the VH2 is far inferior to TC Helicon units I'll agree with that, tracking being the main culprit for pro singers.
The big difference here in price between S models, & Genos
lies in the sound sampling technology which you can certainly hear right away as it should be for a MOTL unit costing half as much.

You're welcome! Yes, I like Jeremy's videos. He knows his stuff.

This guy really does know his stuff, Mike and Randy.

In fact, it was Jeremy that convinced me to buy the PSR-S775...I don't use harmony, but it is cool that the 775 has a mic/line/guitar input (with effects) that also records in audio...the new "half bar" feature is cool although I already had a way around that issue.

The 775 uses all the styles from CVP's/T3/T2 and the older psr's including my old favorite the PSR-S910 ( I created a lot of styles for that old faithful)...I really like it a lot and play it more than my Tyros4.

Personally, I don't feel it lacks anything...in fact, if I was gigging again, I'd have a pair of 775's, one for back-up/home set up, the other in a case ready to go.

Definitely an awesome bang for the buck.


Ian

Ian - can't go wrong with any of the recent PSRs! I really enjoy Jeremy's approach to evaluating things!

PS - Ian, I have many of your style creations and love them all! You are a style creation wizard and I am grateful for the wonderful styles that you developed! Thanks again!

Ian, my buddy! Great to hear that you are not an icicle!

Thanks Randy and Don...nope, not an icicle, but we had our first snow today with freezing wind (-9 C), so, hopefully, I'll winter well...it is so good not having to gig over the winter.

Lot's of good music put up by you two lately...verrry nice!!!

Ian

Thanks Ian! Glad to have and hear you back in the 'hood! Stay warm up there! We have a cold snap going down here, but it pales in comparison to the stuff you will have to deal with.... have a wonderful holiday season Ian!

+1.

Hi , also styles and voices.

Can now play T3 thru to T5 styles , most sound fine without any tweaking.
My S950 couldn’t play a lot of these styles, missing voices. Couldn’t be bothered trying to fix them, they wouldn’t have sounded the same , if the voice didn’t exist on the keyboard.

Without the chord looper, the better speakers, the new styles and voices, the scat voices, Bluetooth ( which I use for connecting my iPad) there wouldn’t really have been much point in upgrading, I wouldn’t have bothered just for the sake of a touch screen.

Hi Ian,
great to see you back.

+1

🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵 🎹 🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵

Hi, Ian! Welcome back. I was just thinking about you the other day. Glad to have you back, my Canadian friend.

I'm afraid we got our first, big snowfall here in the Montreal area . . . 20 centimeters. Well, as far as Montreal snowfalls go, it's not that big, but many were caught without their winter tires on. The new law says that they must be on by December 1st. Up until last year, it was December 15. Take care this winter, Ian, and be safe.

Our ol' friend Ian is back. YAHHH!
Who knows, maybe Scott Yee will follow

I talked to Scott this week. He said tell everyone hello. He's happy playing Korg PA1000 and wondering when PA5X will appear.

Haha , good one. Maybe they’’ll make 2 versions. One with light touch, one semi weighted , just for you Don.
Say hi to Scott . We miss him.

P.s could you ask him ( if you happen to remember) if he still has his African Grey Parrot ( I think it was), remember having a great conversation with him about it a long time ago. Both bird lovers . Haha

Good Points Rikki, and one has to also weigh the price difference, being that the SX-900 costs at least $600 more than the SX-700

So the S950 will not play T3-T-5 styles properly, but the SX900 will? Nice to know. I wonder how the SX-700 would handle those same Tyros styles?

And Ian, curious as to how your PSR-775 handles your T-4 styles?

Finally thanks Mike for the video link. Something else to think about

Hi Larry...most of the T4 styles that were carry-overs from the T3 and CVP were fine in the 775...sometimes I needed to find a different bass sound, but, since the 775 has all the essential (basic) mega voices (acoustic, slap, pick etc) it was easy to find something that worked....however the "new" T4 styles didn't translate as well, mainly due to missing voices I couldn't find a decent replacement for.

I bought the 775 to play...I rarely do any programming on it and I only use one set of registrations...I've got lots of styles to play with, and I want to play the damn instrument, not spend hours fine tuning everything...I have a volume pedal and a sustain hooked up...I do a lot of just picking a style and improvising...the lead sounds in the 775 are really great...all the necessary (for me) SA sounds are there, so I just wail away for as long as my arse can take sitting on the bench. Ha ha.

Good to see you.

Ian

I wish I could ship you that darn Cardinal that drives me crazy pecking on my window from Spring thru Fall. I keep hoping he'll break his little beak. Wakes me every morning at 7:00am sharp. I think he can see my clock through the window. I also think he sends in his cousin when he takes a lunch break. auggghhhhh.



chas

You can drop him a note. Info at www.scottyee.com

Good to see yas back in here, Ian. And good to know Scott is still doing the business.

Good Points Rikki, and one has to also weigh the price difference, being that the SX-900 costs at least $600 more than the SX-700

So the S950 will not play T3-T-5 styles properly, but the SX900 will? Nice to know. I wonder how the SX-700 would handle those same Tyros styles?

And Ian, curious as to how your PSR-775 handles your T-4 styles?

Finally thanks Mike for the video link. Something else to think about [/quote]

Hi Larry,
Finally finished this morning, Won’t say how long this has taken me, put it this way, first and last time I’ll ever do it. Haha
I’ve been sorting thru my collection of psr/tyros factory styles. Had them going back to psr 2000/ T1 right thru to s970/T5 and I demoed Intro 3/vari 4 on majority of them, 1. to see what sounded the best
2. to get rid of duplicates.

Ended up dumping psr2000/2100 they didn’t sound too good. T1/T2 were sort of ok.

When it came to psr 3000 / T 3 styles and up , the T styles sounded better than psr version of the same style. Majority of styles I ended up with are T4/T5 except in the case of a missing voice on the rare occasion, in which case I substituted it with a psr style.
I was a bit disappointed with the Genos styles, they didn’t play back as well as I’d expected. Fortunately quite a few of them are on the sx anyway , and tweaking the odd one if needed, may not be that big a hassle.

The only ones I didn’t get to test were s975.

In the end , I think I have something like a couple of hundred styles that don’t exist on the sx. A lot I’ll never use, but there are some that I’m glad I didn’t lose.

Not sure if styles I chose would work as well on a sx700, it could also be missing some of the voices required.

For instance I noticed some of the styles that the sx700 doesn’t have ie beach rock , surf rock they may have been left off because of the vocal parts in the style, ie they have what sounds like beach boy vocals , especially noticeable on the intro’s.
Other vocal styles are missing too.
Don’t know if this would affect t4/T5 styles.

Thank You Don,
I will do.

HaHa, good one.
Try a kookaburra at 4.30 am.

I do like SOME birds though; Chick-fil-a, Popeyes, KFC, Buffalo Wild Wings, etc.

chas

... and falcons and eagles ...

You're certainly welcome, Larry! I thought it might help some people decide which they want.

Yep. Hey Rikki, how come no sport teams are named after parrots? 'Cause they're all talk.

chas

True, but just think, mines named after you. Haha, Charlie ( the3rd).

Hey...what about the Pittsburgh Parrots!
Mitch
Sorry about that guys...I just got home from 12 hours of listening to jailbirds!!!

Wow that’s a long day Mitch.
We’ve sort of sidetracked again from the original post, the video is worth checking out.

Yep with the help of this forum, I have narrowed it down to...

Tyros 5 Still expensive, would be used, but has everything I like, and cheaper than a...

Genos May go all out, the latest and greatest, but the price is holding me back

SX-900 Looks like this is on my leader board. Seems to be the best all around choice for price, and needs

Also considering the SX-700, PSR-975, PSR-775 or even a Korg, or Roland arranger

Wait, did I say "narrow" list, lol, but one of these will replace my only arranger keyboard, an ancient PSR-3000, and I'm not good at making these decisions. I need to decide soon before I drive myself up a wall

Just a suggestion;

Between the Tyros 5 and the Genos, get the Genos. Unless, as you say, the price is holding you back. If so, and you can find a Tyros 5 at a much better price than the Genos, get it.

Between the SX900 and the others (SX700, PSR-975/775, Korg or Roland), get the SX900. You won't regret it.

This is just my personal opinion.

Whenever I've spent for the best, I've never regretted it. However, I've regretted not getting the best many times.

Hope this helps.

True ... But the BEST is still determined by the eyes, ears, needs, and desires of each individual user ...

Too true.

If in doubt , best to try and see them all.

Well I "settled" for the SX-900. Should be here next week. Seems like the best fit for me. Thanks for all the help from this forum, and for a good deal from Frank.

Congrats and enjoy!

I didn't "settle" when I bought mine. I "chose" it, because it perfectly fits the bill for my intended use! The on board speakers, and 61 improved keys were crucial in this decision. I have it on a second tier, above my Korg SV-1 in the studio, and you should hear the expressiveness of the pianos when you play it, with the keys of the Korg piano (thru midi). It's a great rig, and when I have a quick one-nighter, I just take the Yammie off the rack, and off I go.

Congrats Larry enjoy it..

Congrats Larry - a definition of "Settle" = To sit or rest in a comfortable position....

I predict you will be very comfortable (and happy) with the SX900!

Enjoy that new board!

Yea I guess "settle" was not what I really meant. I did a lot of thinking and research and "decided" this was for me.

My thoughts about buying a new keyboard.
1-I owned the Technics kn1000 through the Kn7000.
2-Psr 2000, Psr 2100, Tyros 3, Psr 975, and now the Sx900.
Other than a SD card that was added to the Kn7000, I have not seen a large difference on the new models being offered. So why do I buy the new model?
I heard it said here – to keep up with the new technology. When I compare the Psr2100 to the Sx900, wow, night and day difference. Since Technics is no longer, I have done the same with Korg and Yamaha. The only reason I bought a Sx900 is because my needs have changed.
Price: If you stay with the same model each year, Psr 2000 then the Psr2100, the price of upgrading is small considering the excitement, and learning you received. The only guy I know is Gary, he is way ahead of the dollar game.

John C.
PS, I just recieved a Sx900, I made the right decision.

Congratulations Larry,
Hope you will be as happy with yours as I am with mine.

Hi Dave, so it makes a difference,
I was a bit stretched for space in my 3rd bedroom/music room , also, so had to put my p121 in the living room. Since Pa4x, pa3x, psr S950 are all gone now ( wall to wall keyboards, crazy haha) I will have space for p121. May actually try and see if I can set the 2 up via midi. Read about someone doing it over on psr forum a while back.

Dave... did You mean the 900 piano's sounding great played through a Korg Piano or You're Yamaha P-121?...Thanks Harold

Harold, I trigger the SX piano with the keys of the SV-1 (Korg), using a standard 5 pin midi cable. The P121 uses USB, so it'd be trickier.