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#473818 - 08/01/19 01:56 AM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: Crossover]
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Two layers at the moment
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#473821 - 08/01/19 04:55 AM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: MusicalMemories]
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I think it has potential. I would implement 3 layers and optimize the velocity limits to achieve a better balance between piano and forte.

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#473822 - 08/01/19 05:11 AM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: Crossover]
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My Dad was a pro. Piano player and piano tuner. I have been tuning pianos for the last 60 years. After tuning a $70,000 Steinway I had the opportunity to tune a $125,000 Bosendorfer (spelling?) I thought the Steinway had a better sound.

My point, the best piano sound is what sounds best to you. My preference is full round mellow sound.

Keep searching/creating for a piano that sounds good to you, John C

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#473835 - 08/01/19 06:42 AM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: Crossover]
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There only two samples for the left and right in the sound font. Not sure how I could implement the velocity layers?
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#473865 - 08/01/19 11:28 AM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: MusicalMemories]
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I have only once converted SF2 waveforms to the Yamaha MOXF, so I can‘t help you technically. You mean there are four waveforms in total, piano and forte each for left and right? Of course you can‘t make three layers if it was only sampled with two layers...

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#473866 - 08/01/19 11:43 AM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: Kabinopus]
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Kabinopus,that is a brilliant rendition of Love Story,please
don`t get too bored with the sound to stop playing it.

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#473875 - 08/01/19 12:45 PM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: Crossover]
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No there was only a left and right sample. I could copy the oscillators and change the cutoff or Eq to make them sound softer.
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#473914 - 08/01/19 06:41 PM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: bruno123]
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Originally Posted By bruno123
My Dad was a pro. Piano player and piano tuner. I have been tuning pianos for the last 60 years. After tuning a $70,000 Steinway I had the opportunity to tune a $125,000 Bosendorfer (spelling?) I thought the Steinway had a better sound.

My point, the best piano sound is what sounds best to you. My preference is full round mellow sound.

Keep searching/creating for a piano that sounds good to you, John C



While working at the Steinway dealer in the 70s I remember being told that Steinway Hall in NYC had an area with concert grands where a visiting artist in town to play a concert could choose the concert grand that most appealed to them.

Your point is well taken the best piano sound is what sounds best to you. smile


Edited by Stephenm52 (08/01/19 06:43 PM)

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#473941 - 08/02/19 07:43 AM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: MusicalMemories]
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Originally Posted By MusicalMemories
No there was only a left and right sample. I could copy the oscillators and change the cutoff or Eq to make them sound softer.


Sounds like there is only one velocity layer then, except if the two waveforms contain multi-velocity samples in one sample file. I don‘t know if SF2 uses those sample file types. Maybe Dan from Varranger can help you with such questions.

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#474014 - 08/02/19 06:50 PM Re: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700 [Re: Kabinopus]
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Originally Posted By Kabinopus
In Russian we often call the piano as "Fortepiano". Obviously, "forte" means "loudly" and "piano" means "quietly". To me the common problem with digital keyboards is that some of them do not really let you enjoy the both ways of playing - "forte" and "piano". Yet, I've been more or less satisfied with Yamaha's algorithm, which they call as "dynamic filter". Also, we know about multisamples, which also helps.

I'm not sure if I can judge by the demo, but I have an impression that so far this Steinway tends to be more "forte" than "piano".

Today I've recorded a piece on my PSR-S950, the factory piano is used (a brighter one) with a dark layer behind it:



But, frankly, I'm a bit bored with this factory sound, so I understand that what you're doing can be quite a big deal.


Your pianist skills are decent, don‘t you think it would be more rewarding to buy a digital piano with hammer action for your piano tunes in addition? I can recommend Roland FP-10/30 or Yamaha P-121/125.

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