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#467925 - 03/28/19 06:32 AM
Why Arranger Keyboards Matter....
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Edited by Dnj (03/28/19 07:12 AM)
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#467950 - 03/28/19 01:36 PM
Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter....
[Re: Bachus]
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Only reason a company dissolves a department is because it's not profitable I would think? No, thats not allways the case.. In the case of technics, they ditched the arrangers as the numbers where to small... also GEM, General Music, Farfisa, etc, and a slew of others.... at least we have a few left barley hanging on... Actually gem and general musics are names for the same company, and they filed for bankrupcy, when their major investor pulled out.. To my eyes changes in AK models and upgrades, etc, are getting far and few between more and more unlike years past. ..enjoy what you have. Times are changing fast.
Edited by Dnj (03/28/19 01:37 PM)
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#467957 - 03/28/19 09:11 PM
Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter....
[Re: Dnj]
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Only reason a company dissolves a department is because it's not profitable I would think? No, thats not allways the case.. In the case of technics, they ditched the arrangers as the numbers where to small... also GEM, General Music, Farfisa, etc, and a slew of others.... at least we have a few left barley hanging on... Well every Company has their story, Farfisa for example was a family owned business that the kids never took over the business from what a friend technician told me when he was a manager of tech dept there, and General Music went out of business because of a scam they had, something about collecting unemployment while the workers still working in another plant, Technics, I guess was not profitable so that went out.
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#467965 - 03/29/19 01:38 AM
Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter....
[Re: Dnj]
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Thanks Bachus
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#467967 - 03/29/19 03:45 AM
Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter....
[Re: Bernie9]
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So many opinions, and then Bachus wrote, “Actually the reason why arrangers matter is simple, we all love to play them”. Refreshing. My Dad was a musician, I played many of the same songs as he did, but with a different feel. More drive. Then music to playing the old songs with contempory beats. Then R&R, three chord songs. Young musicians could put a band together after six guitar lessons. Music changed, and is still changing. Playing an arranger keyboard is not the best choice for today’s music. IMO!
1-The best part of my life was when I had my band. My arranger keyboard is the best substitute I can find. I’m still there. 2-Buying a Kn7000 was bring back some of the great arranger times. 3-When I pass my Pa1000 I smile, I like it. 4-Guitar was my favorite when I played in a band. Guitar it not as full, nor does it offer what an arranger offers.
These are some of my reasons why I try my best to stay away from all forms of pre-recorded music, I try to kept my keyboard as pure as it can be. It’s bad enough putting up with a recorded style.
Only my thoughts, John C.
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#467971 - 03/29/19 05:51 AM
Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter....
[Re: Dnj]
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#468007 - 03/30/19 02:17 AM
Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter....
[Re: Dnj]
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Virtually all arranger keyboards are software based these days, however they are bespoke to the manufacture and they only fit hardware that allows small updates before the complete arranger has to be replaced. (Most also don’t allow 3rd party support)
Only two manufactures (That I am aware of) has long term upgrades, (Some free, some cost) these being Wersi and Bohm who make single keyboard versions of their organs with arranger features included, however the arranger features on-board are designed for organ play, (Where the player plays virtually everything themselves) not arranger play, (Although they do now allow 3rd party (From the big arranger manufactures) styles to be used so as to allow an easier transition from arranger play to organ play for those wishing to expand) Wersi (And Bohm with the optional Cloud Station) also allows 3rd party support via a VST Host on-board so that you can have pretty much anything you want.
Both are niche products, and being hand built cost significantly more that an easy play arranger keyboard that is mass produced, (Also organs have never been cheap) however that no one else has followed suit just shows how difficult it is to bring to widespread market, (Most arranger players prefer to press a button and have everything done for them rather than make themselves stand like the old organ players did by developing their own style of playing (Hence arrangers have always been aimed at home players) even though long term it works out cheaper for the customer and manufacture, (Software is much cheaper to change than hardware) for example the original Wersi OAS instruments came out in 2000 and were not discontinued until 2014 (And this was only because certain 3rd party hardware was no longer available) with many sound and feature updates over this time.
Arranger keyboard sales are on the slide and like the entertainment organs that they spawned from, will become a niche market in the future, but will still be around just like organs are.
Bill
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#468012 - 03/30/19 07:12 AM
Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter....
[Re: abacus]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Ontario Canada
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Virtually all arranger keyboards are software based these days, however they are bespoke to the manufacture and they only fit hardware that allows small updates before the complete arranger has to be replaced. (Most also don’t allow 3rd party support)
Only two manufactures (That I am aware of) has long term upgrades, (Some free, some cost) these being Wersi and Bohm who make single keyboard versions of their organs with arranger features included, however the arranger features on-board are designed for organ play, (Where the player plays virtually everything themselves) not arranger play, (Although they do now allow 3rd party (From the big arranger manufactures) styles to be used so as to allow an easier transition from arranger play to organ play for those wishing to expand) Wersi (And Bohm with the optional Cloud Station) also allows 3rd party support via a VST Host on-board so that you can have pretty much anything you want.
Both are niche products, and being hand built cost significantly more that an easy play arranger keyboard that is mass produced, (Also organs have never been cheap) however that no one else has followed suit just shows how difficult it is to bring to widespread market, (Most arranger players prefer to press a button and have everything done for them rather than make themselves stand like the old organ players did by developing their own style of playing (Hence arrangers have always been aimed at home players) even though long term it works out cheaper for the customer and manufacture, (Software is much cheaper to change than hardware) for example the original Wersi OAS instruments came out in 2000 and were not discontinued until 2014 (And this was only because certain 3rd party hardware was no longer available) with many sound and feature updates over this time.
Arranger keyboard sales are on the slide and like the entertainment organs that they spawned from, will become a niche market in the future, but will still be around just like organs are.
Bill Very well written and explained !
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