Hello forum friends,

I am trying to update an old Technote Glenn Miller arrangement into the KN7000. I have completely reworked the Variations, including adding more accompaniment tracks to the Variations. I have saved my work in CUSTOM STYLE. Here lies the problem: Bringing up the song from the floppy disk, it comes up in tracks of the following: TR1, TR2, APC is TR4 and not TR5. TR5 is CONTROL instead of it being TR 6. I want to use TR1 and TR2 that is on the Technote floppy but I can't seem to bring them into the standard SEQUENCER format of the KN7000. What is a big surprise, why TR4 is the APC track instead of TR5. By the way, these Miller arrangements put out by Technote are really cheesy.

Hoping someone can help. Just keep in mind that I want to use the Track 1 and Track 2 that is on the floppy but want the SEQUENCER work to be done in the KN7000 format so I can use and bring up the Variations I have saved in CUSTOM STYLE.

Scott

Hi Scott
What do you mean by "cheesy" Rubbish? or OK?
Derek

Hi Derek,

ROTTEN, LOUSY, POOR ARRANGEMENTS... THE LIST GOES ON.

Scott

Perhaps you can let us all have a copy of your version when you have finished it!!!

It is obviously going to be of a superior quality.... Joan

Hi Joan,

I would hope my updated arrangement would be a huge improvement! I find little to nothing inspiring about this Miller disk. I like the melody playing (RT1 & RT2) on "In The Mood." They have the rhythm right on. By posting my request, I was hoping to save a bit of time by using that with new variations that I do. Firstly, with these Miller tunes, they are done with only two measures in the variations - really! I seldom use a pre-set in the keyboard. My work in COMPOSER is always done using 8 measures - not the standard 4 measures in the styles of the keyboard. Also, I use a lot of complex (deep) harmonies and you can not use pre-sets in the keyboard that sound right, due to the way the bass patterns work. Doing correct bass patterns in COMPOSER requires not only experience but also an understanding of how they will respond in a song. I can create a bass pattern that will virtually work with any song, regardless of how complex the harmony is. My bass patterns will fall correctly where they should - it is all in the know-how. These Miller arrangements not only having an amateur sound to them with using basic harmony only but the mix choice is not very good. Mix, in itself is almost as important as the interpretation of the song. A poor mix will ruin a song.

I look forward to sending a few things to the forum when I eventually get off my duff and buy a new computer. I keep talking about it and haven't taken the time to get fully psyched in getting one. My computer is an old clunker I bought in 1998. I haven't downloaded the drivers or the SD Jukebox yet because of the old computer. I have been more into playing and composing music. I keep saying that once I get a new computer, I'll install the above mentioned software.

Scott

And there lies your problem Scott - the World moves on - even me.

Audrey

Well Scott - I have spent a restless night as my mind was troubled by the words you used to express your opinion about Technote disks. They were indeed very strong.

I feel that I must make some reply. I think your blanket condemnation of Technote disks was VERY harsh. I class myself as an amateur player and don’t pretend otherwise and I freely allow that you almost certainly have a more critical ear than I have...

The Technote range of disks throughout the years since I started out with the KN2000, and progressed through to the KN7 have been a source of pleasure and interest to me and I am sure many others. I invariably purchased them as they became available. These were always pre-advertised in their excellent bi-monthly Technote magazine. In monetary terms neither the disks nor the magazine cost a great deal and like a CD if you liked some arrangements and not others then that was acceptable.

I would like to say in passing that Technote provided an excellent service which I think was unique in that, if you upgraded your keyboard to a later model then you could return your older floppies and they would replace them free of charge for your new model. It was only in the latter years that they levied a small charge for this service. They were, the last time I contacted them by phone one of the few remaining businesses where you actually speak to a person and get advice and not go round and round on an automated system.

I realize that you did not complain about Technote magazine, or service yourself.

There I have got it off my chest and feel better……Joan




[This message has been edited by Joan (edited 10-01-2006).]

Joan,

You have COMPLETELY taken my post and my reply out of context. Because I speak of the arrangements on the Miller disk doesn't mean I condemn ALL Technote disks. I do not own or have played other Technote disks other than this one that was GIVEN to me so please don't put criticism in my mouth when I don't deserve it.

I know the forum lately has dried up in topics and someone like you has to keep the fire lit. I felt I listed a good post and hoped someone could have a thought or answer to my reply. Clearly, you don't have one for as you say you are an amateur player. We all have opinions about our choice of music and in this case, a particular disk. I suggest you respect opinions given by others.

As Audrey so pointedly stated, "The world moves on." I'm hoping you have no more restless nights over something that has been blown way out of proportion.

Scott

Hey Joan,

If Scott's post is keeping you awake at night I suggest you lighten up and get a life. Scott's original question was for help on a matter and you are trying to make his post out of something else. If you can't answer his question then you shouldn't be posting to it. I wish I had an answer for you Scott but maybe one of the very knowledgeable people on the forum will get by the pettiness of Joan. This kind of bitchiness is why I seldom bring up the forum anymore.

kn7

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kn7:
[B]Hey Joan,

I suggest you lighten up and get a life. This kind of bitchiness is why I seldom bring up the forum anymore.

Hi KN7.
What a remark to make against Joan! You say you don’t visit the forum much and actually.
Indicated that Joan is a bitch..
A remark such as that is not to be expected on the forum, I think you have made a bad mistake.
If you care to bring up the profile of Joan and look at all the posts she has made over the last few years
You will find she has been a pillar of strength to many people.
When a post for help is made Joan is always to the forefront in helping members.
Many members have often remarked that Joan and John North are always responsive to all matters posed by people wanting advice on various disciplines concerning all aspects of music or software.
I myself feel sad to think someone who obviously does not know this lovely lady can talk of Joan In a derogatory fashion.
You are no gentleman KN7!!!! That is a fact.
To people who want styles’ or registrations other than the ones existing on the KN7000 that don’t appeal to them. Use your knowledge of big bands to create what you want.
In this case the Miller sound rather than buy Floppies why not make them yourself!!
If you study the line up of musicians used by Glenn Miller to create a unique sound. You will find Instead of 5 saxophones “the traditional line up”, he used Clarinet lead - Second alto – First Tenor sax – second Alto sax – second Tenor –and Baritone Sax. Lead alto and baritone sax often playing the same note but an octave lower. It may be you will have to replace instruments to get the sound you wish.
We are not talking about real Sax’s or trumpets on the KN7000 or any other make of keyboard just a simulation of the instrument. It’s quite probable you would need to experiment to find a sound you like.
But when you find it you will feel like Glenn Miller did when he found it..
Joan you are a star!!!!!!.
Kind regards to all.
Joe Baron

Scott,

I agree that you only mentioned the Miller disc. I agree with Joan that Technote has produced a lot of software that was very good. Your answer could have been a lot more gentleman like.

Kn7,

We Yanks were know as crude by the Brits at one time and the Brits were and are known as being very proper (at least the ones I know). You prove that there are exceptions.

Your comments were totally uncalled for in private and especially on a public forum.

If anything closes this forum it will be comments like yours. If I were you I would apologize to Joan.

Fran in SC

Hi , Joan and Audrey are two super English ladies that I've had the great pleasure to help with music and styles in the past and they have also been the first to respond to my requests for help with copies of music and styles .
In fact it is the same with John north !!
It's people like these that keep the forum alive and on an even keel !!!

Well done dear friend Joe Baron for coming in with some good advice (as always ) a real Gent !!! a fine musician and cabaret artiste !!!

I have many American friends whom i've met on my travels going to Accordion conventions in Las Vegas and they say we brits are quiter and reserved and don't call a spade a spade , and we are not so up front and in your face so to speak .
We all love our American cousins dearly and we have to accept the differences .
I believe it was the great Winston Churchill who said "England and america divided by a common langauge "

regards to you all !!!!

Giovanni (Norwich Norfolk England)

I have never been so surprised or disappointed in a group as I am with the people on this forum that have responded to my post so negatively. Good grief! You are like little children with your petty remarks! I ask help on a matter and it turns into a mad herd of elephants at a circus. Oh, by the way, no one has even offered a thought on solving what I had asked about. Because I make a statement that I am not pleased with the Miller arrangements, all hell breaks loose.

Joan caused this fiasco by being shocked and apparently losing sleep that I could say negative things about ONE DISK put out by Technote and you all come to her defense - How noble. If anyone should apologize it should be Joan for causing this ridiculous, blown out of proportion mess - not kn7. I, in no way, am sticking up for whoever kn7 is but at least he or she had the common sense to read my original post and I'm sure has wondered why the catty remarks from both women were necessary when I only asked for help. It is quite clear none of you came up with an answer. As it is, I don't need any help for I have decided to not even use Track 1 and Tack 2 from the disk. After listening to it a couple more times, I have decided it isn't very good either.

Let's put this thread to sleep. Joan................ well, let me just say, get a good night's sleep. I don't want to be the cause of your losing any.

Scott

We are not talking Technote Glenn Miller arrangement quality, we all have our opinions – and rightfully so.
We are talking about how they are presented on this forum. I believe Scott to be a good person who presented his opinion in a manner that may have offended some people.
Joan and Audery have my vote as being gentle intelligent nice people. I feel their anger is directed at manner of presentation not quality of music. A different use of languages does not necessarily mean a desire to hurt another person – If Scott was aware I don’t think his post would read as it did. I feel strongly about that but it is only my opinion.

Having said that let’s go back to keyboards and discussing what we all love about music. I am a Tyros 2 player now, I miss my KN7000 –anyone selling one, ha ha ha. I come back to this forum because of the quality of people who posts, I feel safe here. The people I met at the Jams are the best. If Joan and Audery would promise to be at the upcoming forum in Florida I would definitely be there I wouldn’t miss it.

Aaaaaah, I’m going to go anyhow, can’t get enough of Fran and Bernie. (Grin)


John C.

Come on now! Having read everyone's previous posts over the years I know that everyone above is an absolutely super person. (Someone once said "it's better to act, rather than just REact".)

I find most of the Technote disks absolutely marvellous but one or two of them not. (Haven't got Glenn Miller). Joe, thanks for that priceless nugget of info on the Miller Lineup - tucked away there in all the rest of it.

Katrina

I don't want to get in to a full blown argument with you but I must protest.

My comment wasn't intended to be 'bitchy' as you put it but a fair comment. I too have had successive Technics Keyboards along with relevant disks from Technote. As a result I have three or four versions of Glen Miller and each one progressively better than the earlier release. That is what my comment was about, perhaps you should try a later version of the Glen Miller Disk or better still, use the excellent Glen Miller on the Kn7 itself. I've yet to hear better, even the Tyros 2 doesn't come up to its standard in my opinion.

However, I would be interested to hear what you come up with and if it is better, I'll be happy to acknowledge it.

Audrey (U.K.)

contrary to your statement I think Joan has hit the nail on the head

If all you can do when you SELDOM come on here is to insult a VALUED forum member then perhaps it's best that you stay away and not try and tell somebody what or what not they should be posting
practice what you preach