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#458749 - 09/26/18 08:54 PM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: DonM]
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Originally Posted By DonM
On my SD7, the light means the microphone is on. It doesn't go off and on with the Harmonizer. Unless I'm missing something really important. It looks like the layouts are identical.
Thanks!


On the SD40, there is no dedicated vocalizer button on the panel as is the case with the SD7 (due to a smaller panel ofcourse) so ... the status of the vocalizer is on the screen (when you press and hold down the MIC button for 2 seconds to display the SD9 sceen above shown by Paul).

Now, the left side of the screen is for MIC status (on/off) and controls, while the right side of the screen is for vocalizer. From this screen, if you turn on/off vocalizer, you will see the on/off icon to the right go yellow (on) or blue (off) - you can do so eithe directly on this screen by touching on/off or using pedals - status will still be displayd. For SD9/SD90/SD60, the panel is big enough to inlcude a dedicated vocalizer button and volume slidder.

We are working on another external/panel suggestion (e.g Mic button should FLASH when vocalizer is on) - this way, the user immediately knows the status of the harmonizer -:)

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#458750 - 09/26/18 09:18 PM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Hi Don,

I retested the microphone, you are right, the Micro/Voicetron button is the gateway to the Micro/Voicetron menu, but it also works to turn on/off the microphone. When the button is unlit, microphone is off. So in order to see the status of the harmonizer on or off, we have to press the Micro/Voicetron button for 2 seconds in order to see the harmonizer is on or off as described by AJ.

Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks,
Paul
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#458752 - 09/26/18 10:56 PM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: DonM]
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Yes, believe me I have put many hours into this thing. I do turn it off/on with a foot pedal, but I certainly don't have time to hold the mic button down and look at another screen.
I'm glad to hear they are working on a solution. It would have been so easy to put a light in the Voicetron button, as they did in the mic button.
Related to this, I discovered a wonderful feature on the PA1000. I can use a foot pedal to control the vocalizer, which is nothing new, BUT I can use it to have the vocalizer on when I hold the switch down, when I take my foot off, it turns off. I LOVE how this works.
Maybe Ketron could add software to make this happen. That way you know if you are not holding the switch down, it isn't on.
It actually does not turn the harmonizer off, rather it instantly changes the volume of it from 10 to zero, so same result.
I like that the Ketron harmonizer remains on after you stop the style. Very useful.
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#458762 - 09/27/18 07:14 AM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: DonM]
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Originally Posted By DonM

I like that the Ketron harmonizer remains on after you stop the style.

A workaround on the Korg is to go into full keyboard (no arranger) mode a second before the last beat is stopped. The harmonizer follows the style tracks, but if they are off, if will follow your keys.
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#458766 - 09/27/18 07:46 AM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: Uncle Dave]
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I would think that switching the microphone on and off with the Mic/voicetron switch is not needed as microphones themselves often have switches or if not cables with switches at plug are commonly used. If the software could be modified to switch the voicetron function on and off rather than the Mic it would serve a more useful purpose. I imagine that if it can be assigned to a foot pedal function it can be assigned to an existing physical button interface?? As Don indicated, this needs to be an instant function and does not allow for switching screens or holding down a button tying up a hand.
I too like that the voice from function remains on without a style so it can be used while playing another instrument during performances.


Edited by sparky589 (09/27/18 08:09 AM)
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#458769 - 09/27/18 08:13 AM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: sparky589]
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Originally Posted By sparky589
I imagine that if it can be assigned to a foot pedal function it can be assigned to an existing physical button interface?? As Don indicated, this needs to be an instant function and does not allow for switching screens or holding down a button tying up a hand.
I too like that the voice from function remains on without a style so it can be used while playing another instrument during performances.


On Ketron SD90, the Voicetron On/Off can be assigned to one of the buttons of the Ketron FS6/FS13 footswitch. I believe that on Ketron SD7/SD40 the operation is the same. This is probably the easiest solution for Don on turning Voicetron On/Off.

Press Menu, then Footswitch, select any of the 4 sets, press the on-screen button that corresponds to the desired button of Voicetron On/Off on the Ketron FS6/FS13 footswitch, a choice menu pops up, use the data dial to rotate clockwise to go down the list until "Voicetr.On/Off" is selected and press on it to select it, then press Exit button to get back to the Footswitch screen to see the new button assignment:



Thanks,
Paul


Edited by zionip (09/27/18 08:24 AM)
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#458770 - 09/27/18 08:23 AM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: zionip]
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I believe Don said he uses a foot switch to do this..the issue is there is no physical indicator light on the panel of the keyboard to tell you if it is on and off. My suggestion is to reassign the function of the mic button on keyboard from mic on and off to voicetron on and off and as suggested replace solid button with a button with an led.


Edited by sparky589 (09/27/18 08:25 AM)
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#458774 - 09/27/18 08:36 AM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: sparky589]
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Originally Posted By sparky589
My suggestion is to reassign the function of the mic button on keyboard from mic on and off to voicetron on and off and as suggested replace solid button with a button with an led.


Unfortunately, the current Ketron OS does not have panel button reassignment function.

On the SD9/SD90, "Vocal" is provided as the second fader from the right side of the panel for the output volume of vocal harmonizer. When both microphone and Voicetron are both On, moving the Vocal fader effectively achieves instant Voicetron On/Off and in-between vocal volume.

Thanks,
Paul


Edited by zionip (09/27/18 09:44 AM)
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#458775 - 09/27/18 09:28 AM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: zionip]
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Looking at photos of sd7 I see it has the vocal slider also. But this can't be practically used during a live performance where harmonies are used on and off during singing the same verse and right hand playing is going on. I can't imagine moving the slide to 0 then finding same level it was at in an instant while trying to play and sing.
Perhaps a few assignable buttons could help, but with no visible indicator it would only be half a fix as is a foot switch and require alteration to face of panel. Not looking to add user option to alter button assignments but rather a factory reassignment.
To be clear, replacing the solid mic on off button (and eliminating that function) with the more necessary voicetron on off button with led is what is needed and doesn't involve additional space on face of instrument nor expensive design alteration.


Edited by sparky589 (09/27/18 09:33 AM)
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#458777 - 09/27/18 09:45 AM Re: Ketron SD7 early review [Re: DonM]
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Agree, Sparky. Too cumbersome for a live performer where you're in and out of harmonies in quick order.

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