All you KN7000 fans...please give me a word of encouragement. I am becoming increasingly disenchanted with my KN ever since I bought that inexpensive underdog of a keyboard called the PSR2100. I keep comparing the sounds, the OS, the styles, THE PRICE, and ask myself, "should I even hold on to this piece of overpriced technology?" I prefer to play it the PSR. I prefer to listen to it. I prefer to take it out on my first wedding 'gig' next Saturday. For me it's the best keyboard. Please help me come to my senses! I WANT to love my KN, but I can't seem to tear myself away from my PSR! Am I losing my mind?

Sincerely,
Distracted

He who pays the piper calls the tune

if you are not happy with what you got then get something that will make you happy.Only you can be the judge

In any case you have already stated on Gen Arranger that you like the Yamaha better so why dither

[This message has been edited by Johnnie.c (edited 09-28-2003).]

Hi Tim, I own a Kn7000, and I just bought Tyros. I understand what you are feeling, the Yamaha is special. I'm not trying to be funny here, just make a point Many, many years ago my girl friend was so different, so special, there were things about her that I wanted, so I divorced my wife and married her. That was a decision bassed on an emotion---Wisdom came latter, I know now how wrong the decision was, I allowed no time to understand the whole picture.

IMO---The K7 is so far ahead of the Tyros in instrument sound quiality, construction, and there is no comparison with the sequencers.
The over all sound is beautiful.

So if that's the case why do I feel the Tyros sounds better?

IMO--The Tyros was designed for dance, for heavy strong basses and drums. Great for dancers. It leans more to contemp. music. After many years of professional playing. What I am used to hearing is coming from the Tyros, not the K7.

Each keyboard offers something different--If I was to sell one, it would be the Tyros.
In my home I want the the best, finest, pure, real-like sounds that I can afford.
When I played the Grand Piano and Trumpet on the Tyros, I was ready to send it back--Wrong! These are my two favorites instrument sounds.

They are both great keyboards---if you are working with mostly midi songs, Yamaha is better, much better. If you wish to create your own sequence, no contest, the K7 is much better.

You know, if I only could have combined the best parts of my wife and girl friend, Wow!!
And so it is with your two keyboards.

Here's is MY solution;

1-Keep the K7, and create good drums and basses I can.
2-Have less instruments playing on all the driving songs. Disco, shuffle, rock.
3-It is a tool, with time I can do fantastic things with it. I have a good electric drum I can add to the K7, it would then have better drums than the Tyros.
4-I ordered a psr2100, I changed the order and bought a Tyros. Although it's nice having two high end keyboards, it was not the best decision. The best of both worlds would be a K7, and the psr2100.It's smaller, great for small venues, and it cost less.
This would give me the features of both keyboards. It will also give me a backup instrument.

Tim, IOM, you are doing great, with a time you can reach a point you could never reach with the psr2100, the psr2100 does fall short in many areas. I loaned my K7 to a friend for a week, great idea. When I get it back, I will be in a position to give a good evaluation.
One other thing, I feel really blessed to have two great keyboards. Nice.

Enjoy, John C.

Hey Tim, You'll never ever know if I really had a girlfriend and divorced a wife, hee hee he

Hi Tim,
sometimes it's the novelty of a new instrument, especially if you're a hobbyist.

I decided to give music hobby up so I sold my baby grand & all my keyboards back in 1999 including my fairly new kn5000.

Two years down the track a friend got me interested in the keyboards again. At the time the Va7 had me intrigued because of it's variphrase sampler. I wasn't particularly interested in the kn6's as they were fairly similar to the kn5.

Instead of the va7 I actually ended up with a 9000pro. On reading the manual it seemed to have a lot of the features the kn's did ( mainly to do with style creation functions & the sequencer). Wasn't till weeks down the track, that I started to realize that it didn't do everything that I'd thought it could do. Even though it was a great machine, the gloss started to wear off for me, a few weeks after purchase. I kept it for about 2 years.

Currently your psr's the flavour of the month , and you may regret selling your kn7 on the spur of the moment. Like me, you may find the psr's have shortfalls in some areas.

If you're still as happy with it a few weeks or months down the track, then that's terrific.
My bank balance would be healthier if I could have found a cheaper keyboard than my kn7, but they just haven't made one yet that gives me all the features that my kn7 does.

best wishes
Rikki

If you don't like it ...get rid of it.

But please don't come here, and try and give a backdoor criticism of the KN7.

We Technic Owners are too smart to fall for that Political tactic.

Larry Hawk

I have the KN7000 and Tyros. In my opinion, the KN7000 is streets ahead of the Tyros particularly as far as the friendliness of the operating system is concerned.
I made a bad choice and I'm not afraid to admit it

------------------
Willum

I have the KN6000 and after listening to all the bad mouthing about the KN7000 and the sd card system I marched right down town and bought the Yamaha PSR9000. I fought if for about 6 months and when everyone seemed to realize that the problems with the KN7 was them and not the machine, I agreed and went back to town and bought the KN7.
I think I have played the PSR9000 maybe twice since the KN7 came into the studio.
IT WAS DUMB TO BUY IT! I admit it. It is also interesting that the PSR9000 has depreciated almost 60 % in the year I have had it. the KN6 is two plus years old and has depreciated only 1/3 = 33% in over two years. Does this tell you something else.
Tim if you need or want to sell the Kn7 there is a strong market available to you. If you want or need to sell the Yam, oh darn, the used marked it pretty thin and the depreciation is AWESOME!
GET OVER IT!
Learn to love it. You will even know how to properly use it in only a few months and it will do things you never believed. Your Yam will end up sitting and depreciating just like mine
Best to you
Bebop

I like, love, enjoy my KN7000--But Tim's question has merit. As good as the
KN 7000 is, it does fall short in some areas. IMO!

I feel an honest opinion must include negatives and positive.

And the same for the psr 2100 or Tyros.

Admitting to some of my short-commings does not make me feel any less a person. Neither will it diminish the true vaule of the
KN 7000.
I guess I'm trying to give Tim,a good honest perspective of each keyboard--IMO!!

No one keyboard has it all. My choice is still the KN 7000!! At home it has no competition. On the job, it needs some help.
IMO!

John C.

Hi Bebop,
my 9000pro did also. Fortunately I got a 30% discount when I bought it 2 years ago. But I still ended up losing another 30% when I sold it a few weeks back and basically the 9000pro is still a current model.

I must admit in all the years I bought and privately sold my keyboards ( back in the 90's and there's been quite a few) I've never had one depreciate so greatly. Maybe it's just a sign of the times.
Actually my kn's were the least hassle to find a new home for, and I used to get a fairly good price for them. Maybe it's because the kn's are fairly popular here ( in Aust.)& easy to find, wheras the up market yamahas are not as readily available.

Either way, it made me a bit wary, even though the psr2xxx's seem great value for money.

best wishes
Rikki


[QUOTE]Originally posted by BEBOP:
[B]I
It is also interesting that the PSR9000 has depreciated almost 60 % in the year I have had it.

Dear distracted minister of music, I think you are preaching to the wrong crowd! We already have been saved and are in musical heaven! I hope the two newly wedded people you are playing for stay together longer than you and your keyboards. But then again . . . . . . . I think Larry Hawk has smelled it out, kind of a strong odor that floats by every so often, don't you think?

Grandpa Doug

I am puzzled, I feel that this is a good forum, and that a forum of quility should bring as many unbiased facts to it's members. Tim has written a post explaining his frustrations, valid or not. I feel it is our job, cause he is family, to help him with facts, or opinions supported by facts.

My example;
Do you know that I can press any style on the Tyros and have not a factory set up, by that I mean volumes, rt1, rt2, left, tempos, and a few other things that the factory decided was best, but a set up of my own chosing. I can play any style and get me, what I feel, how good can this get. I do not have to search somewhere else to have a second or third instrument sound, it's there waiting for me. And----I have four of these buttons on each style, wow, that's good.

I do have a problem if I want to adjust any of the accomp. instruments. I can't make these changes without a lot of extra work. On the Technocs KN 7000, it's right their in front of me, just below the window. I can adjust the volumes, or even eliminate the sound.

I feel this is the kind of help people are looking for. Once someone said to me, "I'm going to make you love me", I replied, "no you're not, I'll love you for just what you are".
No one has to sell me on my Kn 7000, I hear, I can feel, I love it.

IMHO, it is better to make decisions based on opinions supported by fact, and most of all my own evaluation.

John C.

Tim,
You're not losing your mind. You're like a lot of us here ..... a kid in a candy store. There are so many cool features available that it's impossible to assemble them all into one unit. Never happen.
My advise is to play the one you like till you don't like it anymore. If money is not an issue....just sit on the kn as an alternative. Old ties and shoes come back into style ... you may find yourself yearning for a kn -fix later on.

As a full timer, I can't keep too many old dogs in the yard. I need to stay abreast of the newest tools so I can keep my game sharp. It's not a love affair with me ..... it's a case of survival.
I'd love to have just one unit for stage and a duplicate in the studio, but till I get that exact match ...... I experiment.

Experimenting is healthy. It's good...and if you find that the kn isn't keeping up with your expectations ... then play the Yamaha, but don't question your sanity or business sense. These are just tools...nothing more. They are made to SERVE our needs. Play what you like. Life's too short of be unhappy while playing music. Music should MAKE you happy, right?

Go with your heart (and ears) on this matter .... you'll be fine. The companies have no loyalty to the players. Why should we feel bad about changing preferences? They make what we buy. Period. Happiness is derived from the playing we do after the sale.

Hi John

Just so you know, you can easily adjust the accompaniment volumes on the Tyros by pressing the "balance" button at the lower left hand of the screen, and pressing the buttons below up or down. You can also easily turn the different accompaniment parts off or on by pressing the "part" button and then pressing the appropriate button below the sound.

Best
Scott

Hi Tim,

To me the kn7000 is by far better than any other keyboard on the market today. Its SD card system alone leaves its competitors in the dust.

I have had a love affair with Technics keyboards from my first KN1000. I always found it to be the best user friendly keyboard of them all and I have tried a number of others.

I also own a PSR2000 which I play occasionally and have a lot of fun with it.
I feel it is not in the same league as the 7000 but for the price I felt it was a good investment.

I do not know what your financial situation is but if you can "swing" it enjoy the best of two worlds.

Alex

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scott Langholff:
[B]Hi John

Just so you know, you can easily adjust the accompaniment volumes on the Tyros by pressing the "balance" button at the lower left hand of the screen, and pressing the buttons below up or down. You can also easily turn the different accompaniment parts off or on by pressing the "part" button and then pressing the appropriate button below the sound.

Scott, Thank you. I didn't know about the on and off controls for each accmpaniment part.
Is there any way to modify them?(less volume)

Thanks, John C.

Hi John

Re: Volume.

Yes, press the BALANCE button which is right above the PART button just to the left of the Registration Memory buttons.

Then the volume "sliders" show up on the screen. Just adjust the volume with the up, down buttons below the screen.

Best
Scott

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scott Langholff:
[B]Hi John

Re: Volume.

Yes, press the BALANCE button which is right above the PART button just to the left of the Registration Memory buttons.

Then the volume "sliders" show up on the screen. Just adjust the volume with the up, down buttons below the screen.

Scott, Possibly I'm a little slow. When you press the balance button, doesn't that give you the volume control for the complete style, not the individual parts?

John C.

Quote: “Tim has written a post explaining his frustrations, valid or not. I feel it is our job, cause he is family, to help him with facts, or opinions supported by facts”

Quote: “I keep comparing the sounds, the OS, the styles, THE PRICE, and ask myself, "should I even hold on to this piece of overpriced technology?" I prefer to play it the PSR. I prefer to listen to it. I prefer to take it out on my first wedding 'gig' next Saturday. For me it's the best keyboard.

Tim has written a post explaining his frustrations??? If he is having a problem and would ask for help, YES, we are a family that would help him. If he is frustrated by something concerning his KN, then as a man, I would say he should seek help, If he so desires, to alleviate his frustrations. As I read his post he owns both a KN and a PSR. He asks nothing about any of the sounds, the OS or the styles of his KN. Rather he states he has purchased a PSR and in comparing all of the above he prefers his Yamaha in all respects, to his KN. Without any hesitation, he has determined the KN7000 to be a piece of overpriced technology. If this is his opinion, frankly, I don’t have the foggiest idea of why he would ask me to make up his mind for him to hold on to this piece of overpriced crap. According to the poor distracted minister of music, Tim, he states he prefers to play the PSR. He states he prefers to listen to it. He prefers to take it out on his first wedding extravaganza. Last but not least Mr. Distracted finds it not posable to tear himself away from his beloved PSR. Finally he asks me if he is losing his mind. Could be, but I don’t think so. I think Tim, the minister of music, is preaching the gospel of Yamaha and enjoys it, as others on occasion do from time to time. Tim, you ask me to give you a word of encouragement so here go’s. If you love your PSR soooo much, as you say, I would encourage you to spread your gospel of Yamaha in the right church, the ‘Church of the Cheaper’. I have nothing against your gospel, the other church, or you. I, being not like you, am not distracted, am not looking for somebody to make up my mind and am not loosing it. I have chosen this technics forum to seek help in connection with my KN keyboard. To help folks with the same, if and when I can. Also I love to serve up a bit of humor to trigger a smile here and there if I can. A smile is good for the health. I find no humor or reason to listen to a distracted minister of music telling me that my keyboard has inferior sounds, rotten operating system, crappie styles and is a piece of overpriced technology. Of course you have a right to do what you do and post where you post and think like you think. I also have these same rights, to date, and am expressing them as I also please. I believe attitude, the way you look at things, is very important in forming one’s life. If you like Yamaha more than technics, then by all means enjoy it. If you buy something that you consider overpriced, too bad. Remember the old proverb, you fool me once, shame on you, you fool me twice, shame on me. The attitude of coming to me and telling me the choice of keyboard I made and the price I was willing to pay, in your estimation, was poor. It stinks! Yes I mean stinks!! If you are a minister of christian music I think you have some maturing to do. Do unto others as you would have them do to you. As I said before, folks on this forum who have bought a Yamaha product after they have owned a Technics do not go on the other forum denigrating the other guys stuff. Would you like it?? Rather, as John C. says, enjoy the benefits of each for none is perfect in all respects. No need for a negative attitude.

If anybody thinks I am screwed up in my thinking on this subject, feel free to express yourself. As no keyboard has everything and has it put together just right so no man, in all of mankind, has exceeded these specs. Finding and arranging words to express ones thoughts is even harder than creating a perfect keyboard. I have again expressed my thoughts on this subject. The posting of these kinds of threads has absolutely no benefit to anyone or is of any help or encouragement for the people on this forum. I am not saying they do nothing. One thing that they do do with their dodo, is give an insight into the person that creates them. I think a person should say what he means and mean what he says. With that I will say, thanks for the listen.

Grandpa Doug

Hi Grandpa Doug, I read your letter though a few times, it does show wisdom in many areas. I without any exceptions accept your point of view on the different subjects.

Now I would like to express mine, which are not necessarly a contradition to yours.

I have no idea of Tim's age or maturity, but I felt just as he did when I recieved the Tyros. No, I would not have posted what I felt, but I can understand what Tim was felt. Should he have written what he did? Why not, it was what he was feeling. Was it an error??? Like in all things, we can fall or error on a subject, but as long as we learn and do not repeat, all is fine.
If I give that some thought, I think that's what God has said in His good book. When I try to understand the other persons reasons and emotions, I can trully give my opinion, rmembering it is only my opinion.

As to what is good for this forum, again this is my opinion, To be open and honest, giving your opinions with the sincere thought of helping the next person.

I would like to talk about the short commings
of my KN7000, without feeling I have done something. I would like the makers of my keyboard to know about what I feel. I would hope that it would possiblly have some influence.

I also feel it is healthy to talk about the good points, which there are so many. Never putting the product down, but talking about all aspect of the keyboard. I have some negative about my keyboard, who shall I talk to about them, if not here where?

I became angry easily, does that mean that I am not a good person. --- There are many parts of me, one is the anger, the others I could fill a page with. And so it goes with my fantastic Technics KN7000.

Wow, wouldn't the world be a boring place if we were all the same.

Granpa Doug I do appreciate you
and your posts, John C.

Hi JohnC

I just wanted to say I enjoy your posts, your philosophy on good ways to handle things always taking into account the other person from a positive viewpoint. By your responses I think you would have made a good diplomat.

I am grateful for your kind and helpful attitude and respect your comments and ideas.

Best
Scott

JohnC

As far as the volume for accompaniment, I will doulbe check when I get home.

Scott

Scott, I take no credit for this one;
1-Press direct access--hold for a little while.
2-Press intro III

Thank you Scott Yee

Take care my friend, John C.

Has anyone noticed that Coaster Tim, after throwing out a backdoor criticism of the 7000, while trying to be oh so cool in his underhanded praise of the Yamaha 2100, has not responded to any of these posts?

If you read his post, you should be able to decipher his real meaning for opening this Topic. In my opinion, he didn't want to compare keyboards, he wanted to get a cheap shot in

Larry Hawk

Larry, Larry,

Please cool down. I was not trying to get a cheap shot in. Check out the other message I started: "Thanks, you guys". The whole tenor of my original post was more an emotional, light-hearted post. Please don't take offense to my comments. I had no intention of offending anyone and please forgive me if I have. Some have taken my remarks much to seriously. I respect all of you guys way too much to want to cause trouble on this forum. As far as keyboard preference goes, I suppose when the 'honeymoon' is over with my newest board, I will settle back down and rediscover the wonders of the KN7000. Again...sorry to have caused such a reaction. I really do love my KN and all the folks on this forum.

Sincerely,
Tim Schaeffer

Sorry Tim,
Please accept my apology.

It has happened before that Yamaha owners would sneak in an attack on Technics, and I guess, I jumped to conclusions in so much as I thought that was your motive. However since you claim it wasn't, I believe you and we can move on

Besides we Lehigh Valley residents have to stick together

Larry Hawk

Hey JohnC

So the "new guy" teaches me something. I didn't know of that way to reach the mixing console.

Usually I just press the "mixing console" button, which is right next to PART and BALANCE and up it pops. If you want to change pages, just press the MIXING CONSOLE button until the page you want comes up.

Best
Scott Langholff

Sorry Tim, Please accept my apology.

Larry, It takes a special person to write that. A man of quality.

You have my vote, I admire a big man.

John C.

Hey you guys...apologies accepted!

Hugs to everyone!

Now let's get back to making music

Tim

I AGREE, "lets get back to making and helping each other make music"
Everything in moderation
Bebop