KETRON SD60 - Professional Music Station with 'Powerful Sound'.
KETRON SD90 - Professional Music Module Station.

What's the feature breakout of the SD60 vs. the SD7? Is there someplace I can go to compare specs and/or download the manual?

Wow, the module i'm waiting for!

You can find the specs of the instruments here

http://keyszone.boards.net/thread/620/ketron-sd60-sd90?page=1&scrollTo=1039

Thanks Bachus

Hi Bachus,
Are you sure about the SD90 dimensions? Looks big to me converting to inches.

I got those specs from an Italian website
My best bet is they forgot a point making it a height of 11.2 cm
Which woul mean 10” deep, 16” wide and 4,5” high

Typical Ketron,2 new products in Frankfurt,and nothing on there website,guys,hire a webmaster and a distribution manager.Look at Yamaha,the advertising on there Genos is huge(it,s a worthless key with many bugs)but it sells.

Is the ram of sd60 400 mb or 700 mb? How can we do make a ins sample and drum set for sd60?

you cant create ins file and you cant use drum sampls in drum kits the sampler is not available
ketron keyboard are no good for arab or turkish use very disappointing
How do they expect to sell unfinished instruments is beyond my understanding just open the sampler Ketron it is 2018 not 1800

I think Ketron is only interested in the Italian market...
Thats what he said at the music messe, 70%+ of their sales is in Italy

Good night Ketron... Good morning Yamaha Genos...
I am leaving...

Is there a more complete specification available for the SD90, so that we can see how it compares to the Audya 4?

Also, what is the likely launch date and what price are these units going to be sold on the market?

I am leaving to ketron is the Worst company EVER!!!

I'm very sad about the way of ketron is taking...
I loved being able to make a contribution to the brand because I believe in its sound potential! (audiodrums, liveguitars, latin feeling). Give the interface a new look!
I miss even the Instruction Manuals they produced in the old days. Even that was lost ...

I feel that Ketron was growing enormously if it gave the power of decision and leadership to ambitious young people and lovers of its brand!

I even think of joining a team of specialized fans to make the brand reborn! We only need 1 people for the Design (UI, documentation, website ..), 1 person specialized in computer programming, 1 person with talent in creating styles, and sounds ... 1 good musician to make simple but professional demos. a good website ... I do not know, tell me what is the ketron need.

Sokratis,the Genos is also not ready,lots of bugs,since the release 3 updates,1.10,1.20 and now 1.30,price was in the beginning 4600 euro's,and now 3799,00 euro's,almost 1000 euro's less,the key is not selling at all,it,s a Tyros 6 with a new design,and some new styles en drumkits,but the SD9 sounds much much better,lot's of pressure,drums/bass etc......so my friend,are you sure?

In spite of some opinions, I, for one, will continue with Ketron. They are to good to dump because of a few niggles.

Sokratis & i we both have the same problem We play a unique styles fitted to where we live and the sampler is the the most important thing You dont get to create Ins file no sampels in drumkit for me all this new instruments is just another version of the same old Audya it is going in the same way this time we know to stay away

My friend Audyaplayer...
I watch it and I will take my decisions soon...
Its hard for me to leave from Ketron, however I am tired too much this from company...
And Audya also before 10 years (September of 2008), I had I paid 4.170 euros for Audya 76, and it was full bugs, and too many problems....
However, I think that the Yamaha is a very reliable company, and with new update V1.30 the Genos we can create User Audio Drums like Audya, SD9...
I have tested with a friend of mine that he have the Genos..

Hi,

i think Ketron is a little Company and in this Company the development takes longer as Yamaha or Korg.
I have played this other keys more Years ago and i know Ketron Sd 9 is the best warm and pressurefull Sounds and Styles.
i will played only Ketron in my Life and i think the Sample Editor coming soon.Some Patience.

Wolfgang

I think i do understand why you are called Dreamer..

But i do agree with you to some extend..
Add to that someone fluent in both Italian as well in English to communicate with Ketron directly..

There is one reason for Ketron failing and thats communication on all levels..
There is a huge maket outside of Italy
And they have no idea how to grab it.
And there is only so much AJ can do..

Your ideas are noble, but it seems even the most loyal fans of the brand are turning their back in this post..

To me their only strong point is that they are the onl one selling arranger modules..
If you need an arranger module, Ketron is the only way to go...

soon = never I've been waiting for years for them to fix the bugs and for them to answer to emiles but nothing this company is doing every thing in the worng way so for me it is clear now more then ever Turki is a big market and the Middle East is a big market all they need to do is to open the sampler and to Listen to their customers this is the minimum thing they should do for this markets so why ?? I really don't understand the reasons it is a basic thing that the player need Why limit the creativity of the user?

Inspite of some quirks of Ketron products, they are hard to beat in the styles and sound department IMHO and in my case who travel once in a while, they're the only one producing multi-function/arranger modules that I can take with me on trips without hassles.

hello all, my opinion, is that ketron lacks the drum ins, drum msp, to get more out of the keyboard, drum ins, for audya and sd9 and we can sacerle more with wav user samples, a keyboard now has to have samples to sound, and to compete with the other brands, I have always been ketron, manufacturer ketron it is time for us to pay attention to ketron users,

Before you leave, let me complete the Sampler functionality which we are working on now. We had to stop because we decided to change the approach from a desktop software to software within the SD9 Pro. We are also waiting for licencing clearance from other companies whose samples we would like to be able to import. These are the reasons for the delay .... but it is coming my friend. Just a little more patience.....

Dear AJ..... Thank you my dear friend for the update...
However... Since 2008 I hear this word from Ketron: Patience... Patience to fix the bugs...
Patience a year to give the Sampler function....
Patience....
Sorry my friend but I have been tired being patient...
It's hard from me however i have already left Ketron...
The Genos is here....
Thank you!!..

Did Ketron have a look at sample robot..
its generic software
But also there are specific versions for certain brands, like the montage in the video..

http://keyszone.boards.net/thread/626/sample-robot-montage

Its a perfect tool to port your sounds from other instruments in your gigging instrument...

What kind of software will be developed? Will users create an ins file with this program? Could you give me more detailed information?

At this point in time, my priority is not about the sampler functionality (although I do appreciate that it is important to get this up and running as soon as possible), but rather the difficulty I am finding in creating the styles that will work with the pieces I want to play.

My problem is that there is no online Ketron help, e.g. videos or tutorials, showing how to go about creating new styles.

Ketron should be doing more to show their customers how to get the best from the products, otherwise, the discontented will simply move to other rivals that do offer the options that they need.

I will give you all the information you need patience means years in ketron time we all know it I am waiting to see what will happen and when the day come and the sampler will be open the bugs will start just like on the audya and then you will send emails to ask when it will be fix and no one will answer this is ketron root they just dont care the best sound ever but worst company i am still using my ketron sd1 it is the best keyboard ever made the Audya or the SD9 dont give the simple thing to creat MSP or INS thhis is not worth the time or the money when the sd9 will be in a good stable version ??? never this is ketron sad!!!! but true

I've got all that, and agree for the most part concerning some operations like sampling. However, being a fair musician that is mainly concerned with the general aspects of entertaining, I don't intend to "throw out the baby with the bathwater". My Audya works perfectly, and I expect the newer gear does too, except for one or two operations that are not quite up to snuff yet. If the sound and styles weren't that good, and if all of my Ketron gear wasn't so stable, I might sing a slightly different tune. We all have different needs and expectations, and I can respect your position.

Dear Barnie, you are right.. I love my Audya also.....
However... In my Country, Turkey, Balkan Countries and more Countries, is necessary the use of the sampler because it's impossible only with Factory Sounds to make our sounds or styles...
Also when we buy a Keyboard, the company is obliged to provide us everything which is promised....

Hello everyone, you are right sokratis 1974, the company is obliged to provide everything that is promised ... the sample is important for everyone, I am from Spain and I have ketron for many years,
I have a lot of friends and they are leaving ketron because they do not have to do a drum ins, because here they work a lot with samples in drum and sounds, they are going for yamaha and korg because they can boost the keyboard, and give better sound with drum user samples,

My dear European friends,

I guess I didn't realize how big the problem is for many of you. I hope it is soon resolved.
Bernie

Not for all of europe...
The western parts can live witouth a sampler mostly..
Some Regions like GReece Turkey and the Balkan however have a very different kind of Music.

I don't consider Turkey as part of Europe, the largest part is Asia, only a small tidbit lies in Europe. But then who cares about boundaries?

Dear Bernie we all love Kerton sound but it is not worth it if you cant play what you need this is not big problem this is huge problem all of my music Based on samples in the Drums Including the right hand sounds if you think about it for me the SD9 or the AUDYA or the SD7 are all the same there is no sampler the sampler make the difference I had the Audya 76 for years just siting and waiting for the sampler finally I gave up... and my Favourite Word from Ketron is "soon" 9 years this is soon

i'd love to, and always have wanted to, create my own audio guitars, ukulele loops, (cavaquinho)

problem is there is very limited memory in Audya, and creating custom anything, is very hard or next to impossible

hello everyone, thanks bernie9, and everyone for your kindness, my opinion, is that the sample gives a plus to the keyboard, and here the sample is used a lot to make Latin rhythms with drum user samples, and it gives a great change of sound for that, I have friends who are dedicated to music, they had ketron and they were passed to yamaha and korg, because they can not play with drum user samples, we can live without the clear sample, but with the samples it gives another sound, and what it is about is having the best sound for people to hire you, since we are dedicated to music, greetings to all

is SD90 a "replacement" for SD40 ?
or a replacement for Audya 4?

what are main differences between the 3 ?

I had the same thoughts.

None of them..

Ketron never replaces instruments but allways adds more instruments to their collection....old instruments only leave their offerings when out of stock..

where the SD40, is the SD7's arranger
the SD90 is the SD9 pro's arranger.

i think the SD9 is their current top of the line arranger.
Where the Audya is their older top of the line arranger.

they will not say at Ketron that the SD9 is the replacement of the Audya as long as they have audya's in stock...

SD9 vs SD7
-launchpad feature
-Possible future sampler
-More sounds
-sample memmory
-More DSP
-More advanced audio styles with live guitars and such

SD90 vs SD40
-More accesible interface
-larger and 3.5kg vs 2 kg


Audya vs SD9
-I would love to know what features the Audya has to offer that are not on the SD9 series..

Hello to Ketron's community. I am a Ketron user many years ago and I am working with Audya 4. For me it is the best arranger keyboard (module) I have ever use. But I am very disappointed from Ketron. Why they don't give to Ketron users the opportunity to create their own ins drum samples? And more over the ability to create guitar loops that can synchronize with audio styles? I know there is a sound card named "atmel sam9708 pci-08 dk" that can create ins samples with Ketron's software. Why they don't sell to users this card with the software, so users can create ins samples? Ketron must do something quiply to make users trust it again, because most users are disappointed and go to other keyboards companies. Ketron do something...

"atmel sam9708 pci-08 dk" is probably 30 years old, lol
seriously, the Audya, and Ketron in general, needs an overhaul in technology, OS, CPU, HD, RAM etc

no reason we should have such limited space RAM/ROM etc. in the year 2018

Ketron needs to invest in some top engineers

or maybe just team up with the big boys!!, Roland, Yamaha, Korg

Ketron’s hardware isn’t any older then whats inside the pa4x or Genos... they also still use old hardware based on 20 year old designs..

How many hardware limmitations of the Genos do you want to hear?

i need to find me an atmel card,
Sokratis, can I get yours now that you have "left" Ketron? :-)

Dear leezone...
I have never had it... Only Ketron Factory...

thanks, bummer, because i need to create and load new audio guitars, and if only Ketron can do this, then what's the use?

Sokratis, howz yor Genos these days?
also, did you ever play the SD9?
if so, how did it compare to Audya (sound wise)?

thx

Leezone...
I think is too bad that Ketron not give the possibilitie is users to create User Audio Guitars...I agree...
The Genos is realy amazing Arranger/Workstation...
Very Big Sound!!!... All the sounds its realy amazing!!!...
The sound design is really TOP!!!....
The 32bit new DA Convertors its very clean with more dynamic sound!!..
The styles its very good however not all (in my opinion)...
Top Styles In Genos I think is All the Jazz, Styles with very Special orchestration, but of course exist too many top quality Styles from other categories...
Its very different machine than Ketron, Korg etc...
The only thing I am missing from Ketron (Audya), is the Audio Guitars...
However I am very happy, becouse I can to customize like I want....
Now with SD9...
Yes I have played the SD9 of a friend of mine that has the Audya4 also..
The SD9 its a very good Arranger but I like more the Audya on sound...
However the possibilities of SD9 like Audio Drums with two Variations in every Variation (total 8 Variations), New Audio Guitar Riff very good, new very good Audio Percussions Grooves, User Modeling (like user Midi Files Riff,s on Style Modeling, 5 Chord chanels and different chanel for Audio Guitar (total 6), and of course the LAUNCHPAD is a good way for SD9...
The design of SD9 sounds, is good but not all...
The New Audio Styles of SD9, is very good!!!...
However my opinion is the sound is not exactly like Audya...
My friend also has the same opinion...
I won't easily return to using Ketron...

AJ,

can you comment on sound difference of AUDYA vs SD9?
I'm not talking about one having more grooves, or more audio guitars, or more styles, or more sounds etc.

I am talking about the overall sound of the keyboard,
The overall "punch" or live sound of both keyboards.

Why is it they sound different?
SD9 to me sounds more artificial, more"canned" like a Korg :-)

In a nut shell, SD9 Pro sounds are slightly compressed to give it a warm live band in the studio feeling. Audya series sounds are not compressed to give it a more live band on stage raw feeling.

Having said that however, the DSP on the SD9 is more sophisticated than that in Audya so with some tweaking, an even better more realistic result can be achieved ....as we did on the AjamSonic package which folks can attest to.

Thanks,

yep, Audya sound more RAW, in your face!!!!

when you say SD9 is more compressed,
you mean the samples are just smaller in size?
so sounds like a lower bitrate file, to allow for many more samples, sounds, etc

or more compressed meaning used limiters, compressors, FX etc...

Compressed the PCM Samples (sounds) like Korg etc in order to add more sounds...
The result of this method is a small downgrade of quality..

That's what I was afraid of...
Add MORE RAM/ROM for heavens sake!!!
It's dirt cheap these days...
Do not sacrifice sound

I don't know about you Sokratis, but...
I prefer Quality over Quantity !!!

I agree with you Leezone....
And this is a basic reason that my new Arranger is the Genos with Top Quality of Sounds....

Yes ... compressed using Limiters, built in compressors and in general the new and more powerful DSP.

And the sd7, sounds not as compressed? What about the sd60- same as sd9?

* SD9 Pro (76 Keys), SD60 (61 Keys), SD90 (Module) = Same 1

* SD7 (61 Keys), SD80 (Accordion Keybed), SD40 (Module) = Same 2

* Audya (76 Keys), Audya 5 (61 Keys), Audya 4 (Module), Audya 8 (Accordion Keybed) = Same 3

*** Same = Functionality, Sound/PCM/Features/Styles

AJ,
Any prices for these yet and availability?

Deane

Non yet officially... :-(

Hopefully end of 2nd quarter for pricing and end of 4th quarter for availability

Hello, end of 4th quarter means DECEMBER 2018?

Make that 2019 somewhere if you take into account Ketrons track record for living up to promised released dates...

Which is okay with me.. as long as the product is rockstable...

3 months later and still nothing on their website
I guess we should not expect a 2018 release then

A compressor works as a limiter
Thats something totally different then having compressed samples.

The compressor in the high end arrangers is used to give the different instruments in the mix some breathing room to identify themselves.. if your mix is cluttered, a compressor might be a nice tool to use.

Having compressed samples, doesn’t have to be bad, if the compression is lossless... however most older forms of compression like for example MP3 streams are not losless..so you loose actuall sound information..


Another step arranger keyboards need to make is stepping up from 16 bit 44.1khz consumer audio quallity, to the 24 bit 96khz pro studio quallity (192 khz is overated)
But this requires in general 3 times the processing power of the current 16bit 44.1 khz