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#449890 - 04/04/18 06:45 PM Genos sold out
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While waiting for my Genos, due in May, from Audio works I checked out Amazon. The Genos wont be available until August. Looks like Yamaha has a best seller.
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#449908 - 04/05/18 12:25 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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Looks like Genos is sold out at a number of on-line retailers.

Yamaha definitely has a winner here. How popular it is compared to past models such as Tyros, I don’t know.

Someone like Frank at Audioworks would have more up to date info on this.
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#449935 - 04/05/18 06:45 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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Looks like i was actually to get a few "C" stock units in too, should have them Monday
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#449937 - 04/05/18 07:03 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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Well... we will see if there are any announcements at Musikmesse in Germany. The show is April 11 - 14.

Yamaha already introduced the Yamaha P125.
https://youtu.be/WuEvUr033S8

Genos will wait until I have more info from the show.

Korg Pa5X?!?!? Yamaha MoXF update?!?!?
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#449939 - 04/05/18 07:38 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: frankieve]
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Originally Posted By frankieve
Looks like i was actually to get a few "C" stock units in too, should have them Monday


'C stock' ?
Sounds not only as 'B' (returned equipment).
What's happened to the product when be category 'C'? confused

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#449942 - 04/05/18 08:09 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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C stock is probarly some demo models they used fore introduction of the machine
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#449947 - 04/05/18 08:54 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: Impuls]
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C stock is cosmetic damage.
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#449948 - 04/05/18 08:58 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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A scratch... a ding... a dent. Demo units used by reps. Returned units but gone over and are fully functioning units from Yamaha USA. I sold a C-Stock Motif ES8 to my church in 2006... They are still using it today... 12 years old and no issues or problems.
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#449956 - 04/05/18 10:08 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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A letter, followed by the word ‘stock’, in the ‘retail industry’, refers to the degree of 'newness' of an inventory or specific product item. Inventory items can be referred to as A, B, C & D-Stock conditions as well as 'Demo', 'Refurb', 'Close-out', 'Overstock', 'Second', 'Blems', 'Factory Overruns', and more. The application can vary somewhat from retailer to retailer or distributor to distributor, but generally indicates a similar condition industry wide.

'A-Stock’; What does 'A-Stock’ mean for retail products?



'A Stock' means 'NEW'! Refers to units / items / products that are ‘New in the Box’, never used, right off the 'line' (other than any cursory un-boxing / re-boxing at a distributor / retailer level for quality assurance inspecting / checking) with the full manufacturers warranty and applicable ‘return’ policies.
‘A’ stock can further mean that a purchaser will be entitled to a ‘higher level’ of customer support / service after the sale and in the case of Oak Tree Enterprises, LLC. This is the case. We come from an ‘old school’ lineage of coupling sales, with practical and extensive product knowledge. We are reachable by phone, and it is possible to speak with a person, both prior to and after the sale. We are here to offer practical assistance / advice on set-up, use and features of a product. We are here if you need assistance 'down the road' with connections, applications, additions or troubleshooting with the item you purchased from us, in some cases years prior. We are also a ‘phone call away’ if needed to ‘go to bat’ for you in the rare case you need warranty assistance with a product, distributor or manufacturer. Many of the ‘Big Box’ outlets, cannot offer that at ‘cut to the bone’ pricing.

‘B’ Stock or 'BSTK'; What does 'B-Stock’ or BSTK mean for retail products?

It depends on where the 'B-Stock' label is attached (not physically 'where', but where in the supply chain). If it's at the retailer level, 'B-Stock’ is nearly the quality level of ‘A’, but may have been a 'retail store' demo / floor model, but still likely has all the original packing, accessories, manuals with only slightest to no wear. It may simply be an ‘out of date’ model that was never sold (although in some cases ‘A’ stock can still apply to a model that is simply ‘out of date’). Occasionally 'B-Stock' can simply refer to a 'flaw in packaging' committed at the factory level. It likely still carries the original manufacturers warranty and likely falls under the same ‘return’ policies as applicable to ‘A’ stock. It also will usually fall under the same ‘service after the sale’ policies generally offered by the retailer / distributor. Some retailers may not reveal 'B-Stock' status on a product and allow it to appear as 'A-Stock'. A significantly lower price on an item is often an indicator of this. This is sometimes the case with 'auction site sales' or 'online' sites known for 'super cheap prices'.
At the distributor level, 'B' stock may refer to items that have been returned to distributors stores, had nothing wrong with them, been repackaged and sold back to their dealer stores for 'resale.
At the factory level, 'B-Stock' may refer to 'cosmetic blems' (these products may sometimes be marked with an indication of 'second' or 'fs' (factory-second)) which is then passed on the the distributor to be offered as 'B-Stock' to the retailer. I saw this fairly often with 'guitars' offered from our distributors. In the case of Fender and Gibson, they were typically labeled as 'Second' (always finish / discoloration / 'wood character' issues and nothing to do with the functionality of the guitar or instrument. Those units did not and generally do not make it out of the factory (at least not from the more reputable companies). Occasionally I saw 'seconds' with speakers (almost always grill or finish issues), but there was typically no indication on the product, but on the package / box.
The retailer may or may not disclose the item as a 'B-Stock' unit if they are able to address or resolve the issue.

‘C’ Stock or 'CSTK'; What does 'C-Stock’ or CSTK mean for retail products?

Product or unit likely has been a demo / floor model, but has sustained appreciable wear of has significant signs of ‘wear’, or may have been returned back to the retailer or factory within a short time period due to an issue unrelated to the functionality of the product (ie; wrong color, size, didn’t like, wasn’t correct for needs, etc). It may simply be an ‘out of date’ model that was never sold (although in some cases ‘A’ or ‘B’ stock can still apply to a model that is simply ‘out of date’ and in some cases may be a more desirable item if the ‘new and improved’ is not really ‘new and improved’). It may not have any of its original accessories. It may have a more ‘limited’ warranty and will likely have no or reduced return options. If a unit is a ‘return’ and the purchaser filled out any warranty cards and submitted it prior to returning, it may be difficult to get any ‘factory’ or original warranty assistance. Will likely be a ‘final sale’ item. ‘Service after the sale’ options will likely be reduced or limited or even non-existent when compared to ‘A’ or ‘B’ Stock.
Some retailers may not reveal 'C-Stock' status on a product and allow it to appear as 'A-Stock'. This is sometimes the case with 'auction site sales' or 'online' sites known for 'super cheap prices'.

‘D-Stock’ / DSTK / ‘Refurbished’; What does 'D-Stock’ or DSTK mean for retail products?


Refers to units / items / products that have been returned and required refurbishment / repair by a qualified technician (typically at the factory level).
It will likely have minor to significant signs of prior use. A ‘D’ product will not have much, if any of its originally included box, packing, manuals, accessories and will likely have visible wear / signs of use. ‘D’ units will not likely carry the original manufacturers warranty, but may possibly carry a lesser warranty offered and assumed by the retailer or distributor (solely independent from the manufacturer) or may be extended by the factory. It will generally not fall under the sellers standard return policy if any. 'D-Stock' or 'refurbished / refurbed' items may not even be offered for sale thru it’s normal, ‘authorized’ dealers / distributors and may be from a previous ‘close-out’, ‘fire-sale’ or other ‘distressed’ situation.
You will usually see ‘D’ stock products offered at the temporary ‘tent sales’, ‘hotel sales’, sales held at community centers or exhibition centers. Most of the brands offered for sale at these events are very ‘off brands’, of generally much less quality, that a comparable ‘name brand’ version. If a ‘name’ brand is offered at one of these types of sales, it will likely be ‘C’ or ‘D’ stock. Often times reputable retailers will not want to 'cloud' or dilute their stock or sales floor with 'D-Stock / DSTK / Refurbished' products, so distributors / factories offer them to more 'fly-by-night' operations.

Some retailers may not reveal 'D-Stock' status on a product and allow it to appear as 'A-Stock'. A significantly lower price on an item is often an indicator of this. This is sometimes the case with 'auction site sales' or 'online' sites known for 'super cheap prices'.

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#449966 - 04/05/18 12:07 PM Re: Genos sold out [Re: Impuls]
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Originally Posted By Impuls
C stock is probarly some demo models they used fore introduction of the machine


This is also my understanding too. Been used as a demo then reboxed.

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#449979 - 04/06/18 03:24 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: Stephenm52]
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Must be a logistical problem on the US side of things...

There is plenty Genosses available overhere in europe
And there was a huge price drop for the actuall prices paid..
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#449989 - 04/06/18 06:19 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Must be a logistical problem on the US side of things...

There is plenty Genosses available overhere in europe
And there was a huge price drop for the actual prices paid..


Bachus did you order one yet or already have one?..

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#449996 - 04/06/18 09:08 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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Is the plural of Genos... Geni?!?
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#449998 - 04/06/18 10:00 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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It looks like the advertised price in Europe has dropped to $3899 US from $5499... a $1600 swing. More in line with the Korg Pa4X MAP Price of $3999.

https://www.thomannmusic.com/yamaha_genos.htm
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#450000 - 04/06/18 10:04 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: shueymusic]
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Originally Posted By shueymusic
It looks like the advertised price in Europe has dropped to $3899 US from $5499... a $1600 swing. More in line with the Korg Pa4X MAP Price of $3999.

https://www.thomannmusic.com/yamaha_genos.htm


people who paid top dollar initially aren't happy?...
$3899 US that should of been the opening price from the beginning..

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#450002 - 04/06/18 10:37 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Bachus
Must be a logistical problem on the US side of things...

There is plenty Genosses available overhere in europe
And there was a huge price drop for the actual prices paid..


Bachus did you order one yet or already have one?..


Actually no, i am still happy with my pa4x...

I am afrraid i will start missing the many things the pa4x has, and i have come to love and that are not on the Genos...

however... i bought 2 modules this week to play with and undusted the integra 7... to be more precise, a used Motif XS rack to play and toy with the arps... and a behringer model D analogue synth (which i actually ordered like 6 months ago, but they where nearly non excistant, its an incredible minimoog replica)


No, and i am not planning to buy one really soon, but it would not be wise to close your eyes for the strengths of the Genos... bu who knows when i get a really good offer...




Edited by Bachus (04/06/18 10:55 AM)
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#450004 - 04/06/18 11:18 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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I think the Genos is a very good keyboard, and if the Pa4X hadn't come out, I would probably have one. As it is, however, there is not enough to tip the scales to add a Genos, because I sure wouldn't give up my Korg.
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#450006 - 04/06/18 12:40 PM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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I think both G and PA4X is top of the best arrangers there is, and hopefully within end of the year I have both in my rack.
Well, that's of course if Korg has not released a new TOTL 'till then.
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#450007 - 04/06/18 12:59 PM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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I thought I was bad about new gear. You got me beat. LOL!
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#450008 - 04/06/18 01:15 PM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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Bernie, it's a wonderful hobby, and some told me that a great hobby cost lots of $$$$$$$ .... no, you're lucky that have Frank, but it costs lots of NKR.(Norwegian money). wink
Years has passed by fast as, or faster than lightening, and we're not getting any younger, so even if I do complain about high price levels, this lovely musicmachines is worth every cent.
(pst.... don't tell my wife what it really take out off the saving accounts) shocked laugh2
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#450011 - 04/06/18 01:54 PM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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Bernie and GJ,

I’m not too far behind, Genos, Pa4x-76, PSR970, Clavinova CVP 307 ( for home use) and I recently sold a Roland FP90 Electric piano. Hated to let the FP90 it’s an outstanding piano but enough is enough.

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#450014 - 04/06/18 02:14 PM Re: Genos sold out [Re: Stephenm52]
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Originally Posted By Stephenm52
Bernie and GJ,
I’m not too far behind,....


Steve, it looks like you're far ahead wink
But to be honest, when a grown up Korg has replaced my KMA, I think it's the finish line.
Genos, + TOTL Korg, BiaB and the BK7-m will keep me busy for the rest of my life.
The only thing to fullfill, most be something to play all my old Technics and Ketron stuff.
Maybe a sxKN2600 and a SD module will be enough to close the run....
We'll see, but Dan have a software arranger named vArranger too ....
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#450016 - 04/06/18 03:08 PM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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GJ, I blame my wife for all this, one birthday she bought me a $150 Casio arranger. I thought it was a mistake since at the time I had a. 6 foot grand piano and I had no need for what I considered a toy. I started playing with it then I took the Casio to a few parties for fun, next thing you know I got hooked, the rest is history.

As you wrote you’ll be busy the rest of your life! Enjoy! smile


Edited by Stephenm52 (04/06/18 03:09 PM)

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#450026 - 04/07/18 02:29 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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You have a point GJ, and I think the same way. I have the Audya 76, Pa4X, SD40, SK1, and S970 gig ready. At this point, it is not which is better, because the audience seems to enjoy whatever I take out. However, they are all different in styles and sounds. Yes, I know I could have one board and strive to " "Make It My Own", but I spend countless hours getting an instrument gig ready, and my pleasure in doing so outweighs any practical negatives. At seventy seven, time is marching on too fast, but thank God I am in great physical shape-NOW.
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#450064 - 04/08/18 10:21 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: tyroschuck]
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The shipment from yamaha that was due for the beginning of May has just arrived and been quality controlled checked in. My store is getting some that have all been pre sold. The dates dealers are given for availability is often just an educated guess by our sales people inside Buena Park, as Yamaha USA never knows for sure until updated information arrives from Japan.


Edited by George Kaye (04/08/18 10:23 AM)
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#450096 - 04/09/18 11:53 AM Re: Genos sold out [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9
GJ
I thought I was bad about new gear. You got me beat. LOL!


A friend of mine, plays 88 key stage pianos, buys a new one(actually two) every six to 12 months.

He buys two at a time, one for play, one for backup. I know he has at least four new pianos in original shipping boxes.
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