Hi all,
I have several disks from Technics where the songs are entirely pre-recorded ie, melody, chord changes, etc. These disks are useless to me in that format -- I want to play the melody, do chord changes, etc. myself. And, I want to be able to use these patterns and registrations for other songs. Can anybody tell me how to accomplish this as if you were teaching a "Basic Dummy 101" class? I do believe it involves using the composer portion of my digital piano and I have never used it before -- so, kindergarten instructions would be necessary. I have a PR702. I know most of you folks have a KN5000/KN6500, but I believe the principals are the same. Thanks

The KN5000 has a function that copies measures from the sequencer to the composer that results in a composer style. It is not something that is easily done. But, it is possible if you have the desire to really study the keyboard. Unless the rhythm patterns in the Technote disks are really exceptional, you would probably be better off just to find an acceptable composer pattern already available for the composer(Gunnar Jonny has hundreds). I am not certain that this function is available on your PR702 but I expect that it probably is.

Hi Bob,
Thanks for the reply. The patterns and registrations on the disks that I have are not all that great if it is going to take major overhauling in order to edit the disk. Will forget that idea for the time being. I don't think that GJ's disks are compatible with my 702. Sure wish they were, because I would love to have some of his genius as a background for my music! Carol

Sissle,
do you know if your 702 reads any KN models
disks at all?
I'm not sure, but maybe I can find out.
GJ

Unless they are very thematic try just switching off the sequencer. worth trying. Regards

Hi GJ,
I think it is very capable of reading any disk for a KN5000. That is what a PR602 and PR702 is equivalent to! Please tell me you have something for me --- I am on my knees praying until I hear from you! LOL
Carol

Hi Walter,
Thanks for the suggestion. I am going to sit at my piano later tonight and figure out if that will work. Will let you know what happens.
Carol

Carol,
when you say pre-recorded, is it like a midi-file, or a sequensed song where you can see the chord-changes in the display?
If so, then the style/patterns is in the composerbanks, and the only thing you have to do is turn off the sequencer, and set the PR as you normally do when play songs with styles/patterns or whatever you like to call it.

If it is a kind of midi-format, where the song is only in the sequenser, then it's more complicated. then converting, copying, patse etc. is the only way to make it as a pattern/style or.......
GJ

Hi Walter and GJ,
You guys are way COOL! I can't believe it, but it worked. I loaded the song, saved it to disk without saving the sequencer, and lo and behold, I have just what I have been looking for all along. You have just given more meaning to all those free disks I got with my subscription to that "other" places magazine! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Now I have a task to do -- Go through all my disks with pre-recorded songs on them and save all the sounds, but not the sequencer! Again, thank you -- You people on this forum are wonderful!
Carol

That's great, Carol. I am surprised that the disks use composer patterns. Most of the commercial stuff I have seen puts everything in the sequencer without using composer files.

Carol, every style ever converted from another keyboard to Technics format can be loaded into your PR, if they are done with the kn6000. I do it all the time for friends with the PR903. However, it doesn't work in reverse since your machine no longer is capable of the same functions as the kn6k. All you need is someone willing to share their style files with you. Happy hunting! Bud

Hi Bud,
Thanks for the information! I didn't realize that even the files created on a KN6000 would be compatible with mine. How lucky can I get? Now I will really be a busy bee downloading files! I am already up to my ears in GJ's site! I will be spending the kids inheritance on blank disks! )Money well spent! Thanks to all you good folks on this forum!
Carol

Nice to hear that you having a "ball" Carol,
but don't be too exited, there is much to
sort out, and many files you'll never going
to use, because not all converted files act
and sounds as good as on the brand they're
created for.
But that's for you to sort out
To try out KN6000 files, just download Alec's
disks from the KN6 page.
GJ

Carol,

I have a PR902 and I am not able to load kn6000 or kn6500 files. If you are able to do this with your PR702, please let me know. I get an error message when I try to load the kn6000 files. Files created on the kn5000 load and play just fine.

Rob

Hi Rob & GJ,
I will try it and see what happens. Will try to download per GJ's suggestion in the post above yours and will let you know. Probably be tomorrow before I get to it. GJ, I am sure there are lots of files that won't sound as good as I think they should, but they at least will be a base for doing some tweaking to make the best of them. And you are right, I am having a ball! Carol

[This message has been edited by Sissle (edited 01-19-2002).]

for the pr*02 series you must try kn5000 format files, since these are the same generation.

for pr*03 series try kn6000 format files.

not all types of files are compatible, but you should have luck with composers and many sound edits. Sequences and panel memories may work, but results may be more random due to sample base differences, and other format differences.

Hi Rob, GJ & TechnicsPlayer,
Technicsplayer is right -- the KN6000 files do not work in my 702. I get "Error 00-the data on the disk that you are using is for a different product". I guess Christmas is over and we can't have everything, but it sure would have been nice! However, it didn't dampen the spirits for downloading the KN5000 files!
Carol

Hi Bob, I have a few of these bought in the 2000/3000 era. They were flexible, perhaps easier to use, and minus sequencer, as explained in the instructions, could well fit in with similar type tunes. Also they hat no "length" to them,gave you both right and left hand settings, and by using the control track in the sequencer allowed you to duplicate the original sequencer playing. Walter.