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#446098 - 02/07/18 04:19 PM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: Dnj]
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I remember Marco Parisi playing some pretty interesting “Workstation” sounding music on The Korg PA600. As more synth sounds and arpeggiations work there way into “Arranger” market, the lines may continue to blur.

Maybe they should change the name to “Composer” Workstation!

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#446099 - 02/07/18 04:47 PM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: jingleman]
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Originally Posted By jingleman
I remember Marco Parisi playing some pretty interesting “Workstation” sounding music on The Korg PA600. As more synth sounds and arpeggiations work there way into “Arranger” market, the lines may continue to blur.

Maybe they should change the name to “Composer” Workstation!








Edited by Dnj (02/07/18 04:49 PM)

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#446100 - 02/07/18 04:51 PM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: Dnj]
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Edited by Dnj (02/07/18 04:54 PM)

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#446113 - 02/07/18 09:30 PM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
but how many arranger players need or even ever use "in depth" synth workstation features, editing, etc, etc,..? why pay for all that if your never ever going to use those features or easily do it on your DAW programs?


a' you can not eddit nor create new sounds for an your arranger on a DAW. You can only edit midi and audio... and trasfering up and down to the DAW is not really convenient

b' The biggest point of having a deep sound edditing engine is that it allows those users that want and will use it to create new sounds, and share them freely with the community. Making it a better place for everyone. So indirectly everyone bennefits from having those workstation features on an arranger.


On top of that there is those features that don´t have to do anything with edditing. For example having 8 or more sounds layered and split over the keyboard, and the freedom to do so as you wish, combined with the sliders this is a very powerfull feature.. which should which should be benneficial to all arranger players.

And then there is the advanced arp features )and user arps of the workstations, which also would be huge combined with an arranger.

Other features, like Montage´s integration with the prementioned DAW-Cubase would also be a huge thing for many, espescially since we are dependant on the DAW for edditing.


Its best to ask this question to people that own both a traditional workstation and an arranger, and ask them what features from the workstation would be welcome on the arranger.
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#446114 - 02/07/18 09:35 PM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: guitpic1]
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Originally Posted By guitpic1
I found this interesting

https://youtu.be/UGANVTsDKH4


Can anyone tell me which of the prementioned typical Workstation features would not fit in an Arranger just as well?

Also where he says, if you want high quallity realistic sounding keyboard sounds, you need a workstation, makes me a little sad.
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#446116 - 02/07/18 11:18 PM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
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Also where he says, if you want high quallity realistic sounding keyboard sounds, you need a workstation, makes me a little sad.


This video is a few years old (2014).
PA4X and Genos make the gap between these 'workstations' far less, does'nt it?
Future models will melt even closer together. Exciting. cool
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#446119 - 02/07/18 11:54 PM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
but how many arranger players need or even ever use "in depth" synth workstation features, editing, etc, etc,..? why pay for all that if your never ever going to use those features or easily do it on your DAW programs?


Hey you must realize it won't cost them or you anything extra. The separation of arranger and workstation markets is totally fake. There is no reason they can't provide the same features on both. If anyone doesnt't require the features then simply don't press that button. If you do then press it. It costs them nothing to make it available.

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#446121 - 02/08/18 12:54 AM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: Nigel]
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Originally Posted By Nigel
Originally Posted By Dnj
but how many arranger players need or even ever use "in depth" synth workstation features, editing, etc, etc,..? why pay for all that if your never ever going to use those features or easily do it on your DAW programs?


Hey you must realize it won't cost them or you anything extra. The separation of arranger and workstation markets is totally fake. There is no reason they can't provide the same features on both. If anyone doesnt't require the features then simply don't press that button. If you do then press it. It costs them nothing to make it available.


Perhaps the separation sells more keyboards?

Also it appeared to me, just looking at keyboard sites, that there are weighted keys(and heavier keyboards) in the synth/workstation group.
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#446123 - 02/08/18 01:13 AM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: Nigel]
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Take the styles buttons/names off the panel and Arranger players won’t buy them, leave them on and pro players won’t buy them. (Manufactures are stuck between a rock and a hard place)
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#446126 - 02/08/18 03:32 AM Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018 [Re: Nigel]
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Originally Posted By Nigel
Originally Posted By Dnj
but how many arranger players need or even ever use "in depth" synth workstation features, editing, etc, etc,..? why pay for all that if your never ever going to use those features or easily do it on your DAW programs?


Hey you must realize it won't cost them or you anything extra. The separation of arranger and workstation markets is totally fake. There is no reason they can't provide the same features on both. If anyone doesnt't require the features then simply don't press that button. If you do then press it. It costs them nothing to make it available.


This is the truth and nothing but the truth...

Originally Posted By abacus
Take the styles buttons/names off the panel and Arranger players won’t buy them, leave them on and pro players won’t buy them. (Manufactures are stuck between a rock and a hard place)
Bill


I am quite sure that for many this holds true, but many is not even most...

However, i am also convinced that when you add the arranger features in a different form ( like the ketron launchpad feature). That almost every workstation player would love it... and many arranger players looking for true workstation features would also appreciate it..
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