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#446765 - 02/17/18 03:12 PM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: guitpic1]
harosha Offline
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I got the speakers this morning and hooked them up to the Pa4X. WOW! what a sound! I could not believe the sound from such small units.

There is no comparison to the sound I was getting from a pair of EV ELX112P. The sound is so much louder, cleaner, and punchier.

So far, these definitely are an upgrade over what I had.

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#446767 - 02/17/18 03:50 PM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: harosha]
Crossover Offline
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Registered: 11/19/17
Posts: 596
Originally Posted By harosha
I got the speakers this morning and hooked them up to the Pa4X. WOW! what a sound! I could not believe the sound from such small units.

There is no comparison to the sound I was getting from a pair of EV ELX112P. The sound is so much louder, cleaner, and punchier.

So far, these definitely are an upgrade over what I had.


How is that possible? EV ELX 112P is rated 132db SPL and 1000 W RMS ?!?

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#446768 - 02/17/18 03:59 PM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: guitpic1]
harosha Offline
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No idea how to explain it! I am surprised myself to be honest.

Keep in mind, I am listening to these in my studio for practice purposes so, I didn't turn these up too high. I had the ELX setup at about 75% volume (anything beyond that the hissing sound was too much so never went beyond that). The Bose is setup at about 35% and it sounds louder than ELX.

These have a much punchier and cleaner sound as well.

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#446771 - 02/17/18 04:39 PM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: Crossover]
Eric, B Online   content
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2028
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
Originally Posted By Crossover
Originally Posted By harosha
I got the speakers this morning and hooked them up to the Pa4X. WOW! what a sound! I could not believe the sound from such small units.

There is no comparison to the sound I was getting from a pair of EV ELX112P. The sound is so much louder, cleaner, and punchier.

So far, these definitely are an upgrade over what I had.


How is that possible? EV ELX 112P is rated 132db SPL and 1000 W RMS ?!?


People nowadays get way too much hung up on numbers. wink
They really don't mean the same anymore as they did a few years ago.
The numbers can't really tell the full story of how a piece of equipment really behaves in the real world.
Technology has changed the game.
The only way to know is to try it for yourself.
Eric
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#446772 - 02/17/18 04:50 PM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: Eric, B]
Crossover Offline
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Registered: 11/19/17
Posts: 596
Originally Posted By Eric, B
Originally Posted By Crossover
Originally Posted By harosha
I got the speakers this morning and hooked them up to the Pa4X. WOW! what a sound! I could not believe the sound from such small units.

There is no comparison to the sound I was getting from a pair of EV ELX112P. The sound is so much louder, cleaner, and punchier.

So far, these definitely are an upgrade over what I had.


How is that possible? EV ELX 112P is rated 132db SPL and 1000 W RMS ?!?


People nowadays get way too much hung up on numbers. wink
They really don't mean the same anymore as they did a few years ago.
The numbers can't really tell the full story of how a piece of equipment really behaves in the real world.
Technology has changed the game.
The only way to know is to try it for yourself.
Eric


Well, basically I agree, but: these ELX have a weight of 18.8 kilograms each, they are not cheap, and at Thomann.de all customers who bought them left excellent reviews. If these heavy speakers really bring out less power than the Bose S1, all this satisfaction makes no sense to me.


Edited by Crossover (02/17/18 04:59 PM)

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#446778 - 02/17/18 07:21 PM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: Crossover]
Eric, B Online   content
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2028
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
Originally Posted By Crossover



Well, basically I agree, but: these ELX have a weight of 18.8 kilograms each, they are not cheap, and at Thomann.de all customers who bought them left excellent reviews. If these heavy speakers really bring out less power than the Bose S1, all this satisfaction makes no sense to me.


Another thing I learned a long time ago:
I don't rely on reviews. People hear and see different things than I do. Plus everybody has different needs.
As a general direction yes, but I take them with a grain of salt.
I trust my eyes and ears and I know what I want.
Everybody seems to be an expert on the web these days wink
Again; if you can; try it for yourself.
Only you can be the final judge.
Eric
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Genos, PSR-S970, TC Helicon VoiceLive3, Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer, 2 Bose L1 Pro16, Electro-Voice ZXA1 Subwoofer

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#446791 - 02/18/18 12:20 AM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: Crossover]
guitpic1 Offline
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Registered: 04/16/14
Posts: 1950
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By Crossover
Originally Posted By harosha
I got the speakers this morning and hooked them up to the Pa4X. WOW! what a sound! I could not believe the sound from such small units.

There is no comparison to the sound I was getting from a pair of EV ELX112P. The sound is so much louder, cleaner, and punchier.

So far, these definitely are an upgrade over what I had.


How is that possible? EV ELX 112P is rated 132db SPL and 1000 W RMS ?!?


I doubt my S1 could put out the sound in a large setting that my DXR10 could, but the S1 is a lot of sound for the size. And truth be known, I’d much rather carry two 15lb speakers than two 40lb speakers.

Also, at lower volumes my S1 competes very well against my other speakers.

When I asked a Bose tech how so much sound came out of a small unit, he said it had to do with efficiency and speakers all working together...that’s what he said anyway.
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#446792 - 02/18/18 12:24 AM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: harosha]
guitpic1 Offline
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Registered: 04/16/14
Posts: 1950
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By harosha
No idea how to explain it! I am surprised myself to be honest.

Keep in mind, I am listening to these in my studio for practice purposes so, I didn't turn these up too high. I had the ELX setup at about 75% volume (anything beyond that the hissing sound was too much so never went beyond that). The Bose is setup at about 35% and it sounds louder than ELX.

These have a much punchier and cleaner sound as well.


Same experience for me in the home setting. I haven’t tried my S1 yet in a larger setting...will do so next month.
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#446841 - 02/18/18 11:49 AM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: Eric, B]
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Registered: 11/19/17
Posts: 596
Originally Posted By Eric, B
Originally Posted By Crossover



Well, basically I agree, but: these ELX have a weight of 18.8 kilograms each, they are not cheap, and at Thomann.de all customers who bought them left excellent reviews. If these heavy speakers really bring out less power than the Bose S1, all this satisfaction makes no sense to me.


Another thing I learned a long time ago:
I don't rely on reviews. People hear and see different things than I do. Plus everybody has different needs.
As a general direction yes, but I take them with a grain of salt.
I trust my eyes and ears and I know what I want.
Everybody seems to be an expert on the web these days wink
Again; if you can; try it for yourself.
Only you can be the final judge.
Eric


That's how I take reviews, too. Just as a general direction with a grain of salt as you say.
Luckily, in my region there are good chances to find instruments and speakers in stores to test them.
Still, I know a little about statistics, had to learn it in my first studies, and if a speaker gets such a high number of excellent ratings at Thomann, where only Thomann customers who actually bought the product are allowed to leave a review, it does reflect a steady trend about how good the speaker is, even if tastes are different.
These ELX speakers really seem to be roughly on the same level as a Yamaha DXR speaker, so it remains hard to explain how this Bose S1 Pro can compete against it.
Next time I'm in Cologne, I'll try to listen to it at Musicstore.

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#446862 - 02/18/18 02:43 PM Re: Update Bose S1 Pro [Re: Crossover]
Eric, B Online   content
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2028
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
Originally Posted By Crossover
Originally Posted By Eric, B
Originally Posted By Crossover



Well, basically I agree, but: these ELX have a weight of 18.8 kilograms each, they are not cheap, and at Thomann.de all customers who bought them left excellent reviews. If these heavy speakers really bring out less power than the Bose S1, all this satisfaction makes no sense to me.


Another thing I learned a long time ago:
I don't rely on reviews. People hear and see different things than I do. Plus everybody has different needs.
As a general direction yes, but I take them with a grain of salt.
I trust my eyes and ears and I know what I want.
Everybody seems to be an expert on the web these days wink
Again; if you can; try it for yourself.
Only you can be the final judge.
Eric


That's how I take reviews, too. Just as a general direction with a grain of salt as you say.
Luckily, in my region there are good chances to find instruments and speakers in stores to test them.
Still, I know a little about statistics, had to learn it in my first studies, and if a speaker gets such a high number of excellent ratings at Thomann, where only Thomann customers who actually bought the product are allowed to leave a review, it does reflect a steady trend about how good the speaker is, even if tastes are different.
These ELX speakers really seem to be roughly on the same level as a Yamaha DXR speaker, so it remains hard to explain how this Bose S1 Pro can compete against it.
Next time I'm in Cologne, I'll try to listen to it at Musicstore.


You are right about Thomann.
Going to Cologne?
The largest Music store in Europe?
I am jealous. wink
Maybe I'll be able to go on my next trip to Germany.
I am originally from Witten an der Ruhr.
Where are you from?
Have fun at Musicstore. wink
Leave your Credit card at home .... wink
Eric
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Genos, PSR-S970, TC Helicon VoiceLive3, Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer, 2 Bose L1 Pro16, Electro-Voice ZXA1 Subwoofer

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