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#444292 - 01/09/18 12:09 AM The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb
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I thought some of you might enjoy listening to some great chord progressions and playing. I've never heard Mary Had A Little Lamb like this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svxEUOfkRbY




Edited by Torch (01/09/18 12:10 AM)
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#444293 - 01/09/18 12:22 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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Torch.....good find. He's doing nothing magical with his chords, but he's flooded with really good arrangement ideas. That's what I've been doing lately. Taking "standards" and playing each one 20 different ways. He gave me some great new ideas. I'm going to watch it again tomorrow during my practice sessions.

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#444299 - 01/09/18 05:32 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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Lyrics wise, this is the version of 'Mary had a little lamb' taught to me by my father.

MARY HAD A LITTLE SHEEP
SHE TOOK WITH HER TO SLEEP
THE SHEEP TURNED OUT TO BE A RAM
MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB

Arrrrggg, there we go, heading South again.

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#444330 - 01/09/18 03:21 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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Mark, playing the same song in 20 different ways sounds like a good musical exercise.

Cgiles, Going South is fine with me, but was it you who said that we have an internet cop here smile
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#444333 - 01/09/18 05:06 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Lyrics wise, this is the version of 'Mary had a little lamb' taught to me by my father.
MARY HAD A LITTLE SHEEP
SHE TOOK WITH HER TO SLEEP
THE SHEEP TURNED OUT TO BE A RAM
MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB
Arrrrggg, there we go, heading South again.
chas


I heard a two liner:
Mary had a little lamb,
The doctor was surprised ...

Cue music:
To the station at the end of the town
On the southbound train going down.
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#444341 - 01/09/18 09:13 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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Torch....this man is an excellent player. I know my chords real well, but I can't put them together like he does. I'm not even going to try. That's a whole art in itself. I'd love to attend a church service where's he's playing at. Thanks again for posting this. Good to hear good creativity once in a while.

Mark

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#444342 - 01/09/18 09:19 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By tony mads usa


I heard a two liner:
Mary had a little lamb,
The doctor was surprised ...


Thanks Tony. Another cute one-liner that I can use safely in my act. It's politically correct as there aren't many lambs around that would get offended over it.

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#444365 - 01/10/18 05:03 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Mark79100]
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Originally Posted By Mark79100
It's politically correct as there aren't many lambs around that would get offended over it.


.....well, except for the bestiality part smile smile smile.

Here's one for the kiddies;

Mary had a little lamb
Her father shot it dead
Now the poor lamb goes to school
between two slices of bread

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#444372 - 01/10/18 05:37 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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... But the little kiddies will be traumatized surprised
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#444373 - 01/10/18 05:50 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By tony mads usa
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... But the little kiddies will be traumatized surprised


ehhh, they'll get over it......OR, they'll grow up and become accordion players smile.

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#444377 - 01/10/18 06:03 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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OOOOOH that hurt !!!
duel darthvader
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#444384 - 01/10/18 07:14 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: tony mads usa]
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I believe I posted this some time ago, but here's one that always puts a smile on their faces:

Let me call you sweetheart,
I'm in love with your father's machine,
Let me hear you whisper
That you'll pay for the gasoline.
Keep the headlights burning
And your hands on the steering wheel,
Let me call you sweetheart,
I'm in love with your automobile.
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#444386 - 01/10/18 07:24 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: tony mads usa]
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What skills he has..

And Chas, easy on the accordion guys there...


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#444389 - 01/10/18 08:09 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: sparky589]
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Originally Posted By sparky589


And Chas, easy on the accordion guys there...


smile Ahhhh, Tony knows I luv him....just friendly teasing for him (and Fran).

chas
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#444393 - 01/10/18 08:26 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Originally Posted By sparky589


And Chas, easy on the accordion guys there...


smile Ahhhh, Tony knows I luv him....just friendly teasing for him (and Fran).

chas


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#444395 - 01/10/18 08:47 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: tony mads usa]
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One more:

The Autumn Leaves (parody)

The Autumn Leaves Drift by my window,
Those lousy leaves, Mess up the yard..
I need you here To help with raking,
So please come home, It's just too hard...

The Autumn Leaves They're getting thicker,
The Autumn air It's turning cold...
Don't need no lips, Don't need no kisses,
But your sweet hands, A rake could hold...

Since you went away, The dishes pile,
And I'll get to them, In a while...
But I need you most of all, For raking
When Autumn Leaves Start to fall.....
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#444398 - 01/10/18 09:05 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch
I thought some of you might enjoy listening to some great chord progressions and playing. I've never heard Mary Had A Little Lamb like this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svxEUOfkRbY




Torch, I thoroughly enjoyed this video ... I just think that if he was trying to help the young man to "Gospelize" a song, some additional instruction as to what he was playing would have been helpful ...
BTW ... with the band in NY we would do "A Word From Our Sponsor" and sing the Schaeffer beer commercial when ever we played the "Beer Barrel Polka" ...
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#444399 - 01/10/18 09:22 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: tony mads usa]
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Yea easy on us Accordion Guys... cool2

And Yes Chas I bought it from Benny Cinitoli's in Philly....
just sayin wink


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#444407 - 01/10/18 11:07 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Dnj


And Yes Chas I bought it from Benny Cinitoli's in Philly....


Ah Benny, Benny, Benny. I get a nostalgic tear in my eye every time I hear his name, and I haven't seen him in at least 25 years. Last of the great 'mom and pop' music stores (along with Medley Music in Bryn Mawr).

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#444413 - 01/10/18 12:33 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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Ah Benny, Benny, Benny. I get a nostalgic tear in my eye every time I hear his name, ...
chas


Probably from thinking about all those accordions he sold ... laugh2
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#444420 - 01/10/18 01:15 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: tony mads usa]
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Probably from thinking about all those accordions he sold ... laugh2



Well nobody's perfect, I forgive him smile smile .

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#444432 - 01/10/18 03:27 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Yea easy on us Accordion Guys... cool2

And Yes Chas I bought it from Benny Cinitoli's in Philly....
just sayin wink


Donny......are you sure they sold you an accordion? That looks more like a humidifier. Check to see if there's an on-off switch on it.

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#444433 - 01/10/18 03:31 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Mark79100]
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Originally Posted By Mark79100


Originally Posted By Dnj
Yea easy on us Accordion Guys... cool2

And Yes Chas I bought it from Benny Cinitoli's in Philly....
just sayin wink


Donny......are you sure they sold you an accordion? That looks more like a humidifier. Check to see if there's an on-off switch on it.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galanti

http://www.viscountinstruments.com/corporate-history/


Edited by Dnj (01/10/18 03:35 PM)
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#444451 - 01/10/18 07:56 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Mark79100]
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Originally Posted By Mark79100
Torch....this man is an excellent player. I know my chords real well, but I can't put them together like he does. I'm not even going to try. That's a whole art in itself. I'd love to attend a church service where's he's playing at. Thanks again for posting this. Good to hear good creativity once in a while.

Mark
Mark, I think you hit the nail on its head. I agree with you that it is a whole art; one of the finest, I might add.
My former accordion teacher (Contino's cousin) a top notch Jazz organist/accordionist once said about Black musicians; they are either good or bad, nothing in between. I asked a mutual organist friend - a black minister who was once a Hollywood recording artist. He said, "Yea, it seems that way." This man is good, but I see so many other excellent musicians on Youtube.
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#444456 - 01/10/18 09:23 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Mark79100


Originally Posted By Dnj
Yea easy on us Accordion Guys... cool2

And Yes Chas I bought it from Benny Cinitoli's in Philly....
just sayin wink


Donny......are you sure they sold you an accordion? That looks more like a humidifier. Check to see if there's an on-off switch on it.


http://www.viscountinstruments.com/corporate-history/


Donny....the article says "At the same time (1932) in Mondaino came a new factory, which today is considered historically significant as it was one of the first cement-made factories ever built in Italy."

I'm thinking they had extra cement left over and they made that accordion with it!

Now for my serious side: My accordion is a minimum of 60 years old and I wouldn't give it up for 100 PA4x's. When I take it out, it stays in my sight at all times until I get home again. You cannot get an accordion made with that kind of craftsmanship anymore. Those old-time Italians who designed them so well and put the accordions together with quality parts back in those days were priceless. Similar to pianos, they don't make 'em anymore like they used to with a sound that had guts and beauty at the same time. If I lost mine, I'd be lost myself. I'm thinking of getting a safe deposit box at the bank and putting it in there when I'm not using it!

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#444476 - 01/11/18 05:50 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch

My former accordion teacher (Contino's cousin) a top notch Jazz organist/accordionist once said about Black musicians; they are either good or bad, nothing in between.


You should have taken that opportunity to tell him what a ridiculous statement that is. That is precisely how stereotypes are born. When it comes to music (and most things), Blacks are no different from any other group; there are good musicians, bad musicians and a whole lot in between. Perpetuating these myths serves no good purpose and only causes people to see groups other than their own in a different (and usually negative) light. I've heard the same kind of drivel (right here on THIS board) about Black athletes; that their success is the result of God-given talent', as though they just 'showed up' one day, fresh from the ghetto, donned a NFL jersey and ran for 200 yards. One does not become a world-class athlete without thousands of hours of work and tremendous personal sacrifice in order to hone their craft. This is true no matter the color of the athlete.

The problem with statements like that is that, in most cases, they sound innocent to the person saying (or repeating) them. Some even think they're complimentary. THEY'RE NOT. It's the bedrock that bigotry and prejudice is built upon. It's how we subtly brainwash our children and pass on these beliefs from generation to generation. I think it's way past time for it to stop.

Torch, I'm sure you didn't mean anything mean or malicious by referencing your teacher's comment....but that's PRECISELY my point. It's like the current political climate where we've learned to 'normalize' rude behavior, name-calling, and all the things we used to abhor. I'm not SUPER-sensitive but felt compelled to speak up here (for all the reasons I listed). I really hope you don't take this as a personal attack because it's not. I'm just trying to bring awareness to a situation that affects me personally.

chas
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#444488 - 01/11/18 08:59 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Mark79100]
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[/quote]
When I take it out, it stays in my sight at all times until I get home again. You cannot get an accordion made with that kind of craftsmanship anymore.[/quote]

That's how I am with my Petosa. It only gets used on specific gigs. Very heavy too...even sitting down.
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#444503 - 01/11/18 09:49 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: sparky589]
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Man, when I think about the accordion gigs 'back in the day' ... talk about heavy ... playing my Sano accordion with the double tone chamber, and then converting to Cordovox doing the same thing - STANDING while playing ... no wonder my back kills me today ...

PS ... obviously, this thread has gone SOUTH ... apologies to torch ... but perhaps we said everything there was to say about
The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb ?
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#444512 - 01/11/18 10:25 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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My former accordion teacher (Contino's cousin) a top notch Jazz organist/accordionist once said about Black musicians; they are either good or bad, nothing in between.


Tony, we're usually on the same page but I fail to see the relevancy of the above quote (which, first of all, is patently untrue....and therefore not worth repeating). Are you suggesting that I should apologize for MY post? If MY post is what you are referring to as 'going SOUTH', I have to respectfully disagree. My post was a RESPONSE to a comment that I found offensive, saw no need for, and felt that I had a right to say so (and explain why....in what I hoped was a respectful way). BUT, I just don't see why you think an apology to the OP is appropriate when it was HIS comment (however innocent) which started the trip SOUTH.

However, at the moment I'm more concerned about a good prognosis for DonM. That's a lot more hopeful than the possibility of changing social attitudes in these times. Sorry if my post made some people uncomfortable.

chas
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#444517 - 01/11/18 10:53 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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chas ... WHOA, BIG FELLA !!! JEEZ !!! ... my reference to 'going south' was in regard to the the conversations about ACCORDIONS which had nothing to do with the OP ... and had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your comments ...

In the future, if you are going to 'call me out' on something I would appreciate a PM or an e-mail, to find out what I was referring to, just in case you misinterpreted something I posted ...
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#444524 - 01/11/18 11:47 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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Sorry Tony, will do. But I DID say "If (emphasis on IF) MY post is what you are referring to as 'going SOUTH'......." implying that if NOT, well.....

Hey, you're still one of my favorite folks here. Misunderstandings are one of the weaknesses of the 'net' (written word).

chas
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#444525 - 01/11/18 11:51 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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You know, another member said the same thing I’m going to say. I come on here once in a while during the day to get away from the negativity of everyday life. And, bam, there it is all over again on the Synthzone.

But, DO think about it.....if everyone was born the same way, why are there relatively few professional Caucasian basket ball players, when was the last time you saw a Caucasian heavyweight boxing champion, or a Caucasian blues musician who really knows how to sing the blues, or a Caucasian Motown group that made it big in that industry?

For the record, Torch didn’t speak out of line and neither did Tony. There are no apologies that have to be made to anybody about anything. It was a healthy conversation that I was enjoying up to a point.

When Torch quoted “My former accordion teacher (Contino's cousin) a top notch Jazz organist/accordionist once said about Black musicians; they are either good or bad, nothing in between.” If I had to guess, it would be.....those who are “good” are those who have been oppressed in the past and turned to music while those who are “bad” are others that didn’t get into music but followed new-found, previously unavailable academic opportunities.

It was a remark, that’s all. We all see remarks differently. In most cases, there are no “annoying” remarks. It’s how we choose to perceive based on where we’re coming from.

So why did I write this out? Because it’s one of those stress-filled days again for me. I needed a break. I thought I’d turn to my favorite subject: music and my favorite (otherwise relaxing) site: the Synthzone and what do I find….more stress. Talk about “going South”…..this post has to be a prime example.

Let’s leave the “non-musical” discussion alone, shall we, before Nigel closes down the topic. And, please, can we skip the "backlash" to my post here. I just needed to get this out of my system. I don't want it to be the catalyst for more "off-topic" discussion.

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#444526 - 01/11/18 11:59 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: sparky589]
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That's how I am with my Petosa. It only gets used on specific gigs. Very heavy too...even sitting down.


Sparky.....I've got to envy you. I didn't know you had a Petosa. They are top of the line if I'm correct. If I owned a Petosa, I would REALLY never let that out of my sight. I'd even take it into the shower with me!

It feels good to be talking about the accordion. People poo-poo it because it doesn't look fashionable and it doesn't do what a synthesizer does. But.....the one thing an accordion does that the synthesizer DOESN'T do is give you freedom to express your emotions via the bellows. Both sides have their advantages and disadvantages.

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#444528 - 01/11/18 12:17 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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Sorry Tony, will do. But I DID say "If (emphasis on IF) MY post is what you are referring to as 'going SOUTH'......." implying that if NOT, well.....

Hey, you're still one of my favorite folks here. Misunderstandings are one of the weaknesses of the 'net' (written word).

chas



Apology accepted ...
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#444560 - 01/11/18 11:52 PM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: cgiles]
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First of all, I did not feel at all that you were attacking me personally. There was no hint of it whatsoever. Moreover, you made me realize that I should be more careful when posting on a public forum what can be a sensitive issue. I called up my teacher just now and told him about the whole thing. First, he wanted to watch the video. Second, he just chuckled and said to keep him posted. He also added that I can use his name on the forum.

I believe that there is a difference between stereotyping and observing the reality of certain cultural traits a people group or regional people commonly share. Yes, a lot of times it is like walking on thin ice. What makes it even worse is that we are all encapsulated by our own culture. My teacher Johnny and his cousin Dick Contino were born and raised in an Italian community right next to a black neighborhood. Johnny said that black musicians taught him a lot and he played in a black band for a long time. I have known Johnny over 30 years, and when Johnny made that remark, I knew that he was sharing out of his ample experiences– not stereo-typing. However, on a public forum I should have “polished” it up, or varnished it to the effect that my teacher who has been exposed to a lot of black musicians said he noticed that many of them are either good or bad and very few mediocre instead of a definitive, “They are either good or bad, and nothing in between.”

By the way, I wish you had quoted one whole paragraph of mine, in which I mentioned a mutual friend of my teacher and mine; Peter a black minister who was a Hollywood recording artist. I mentioned the exact same comment to Peter. I thought that way my quote in its entirety was a little less bad…. I know you didn’t mean to take my quote out of the context.

A few years back, I told Johnny that I wanted to learn black gospel music. He laughed and said that I should move to the black neighborhood and live there for a while. A lot of truth to that. He is talking about total immersion. Cross-cultural immersion or a musical immersion. Then he introduced Peter to me; Peter “a guy who plays the wrong note and makes it sound good” according to Johnny. Once again, a crude expression by Johnny but it so captures the essence of it in such simple words. Doesn’t Jazz or black gospel music involve a lot of the right use of the “wrong” note?

The theory of America as a melting pot has been out. After that, they talked about America as a salad bowl where each ingredient is distinctively still there and yet in harmony with others. I want us to celebrate the differences we have. Differences challenge our own assumptions, too I think that’s why Byron said a person who knows only one culture doesn’t know culture. I think we can talk about and celebrate (even laugh about) the differences without stereo-typing. Yesterday, when I played my digital accordion room to room in a new, upscale retirement center, the staff members would give the ethnic background of each resident to me. There were German, Swedish, Irish, Greek, Japanese, and etc.. Then I would play ethnic tunes. People love it. When I was playing a traditional Japanese tune, I heard the staff members saying to each other, “Look, their faces (the Japanese couple), their expressions… Then we came to a gentleman. I saw him counting with his fingers trying to figure out his multi-ethnic backgrounds, perhaps. In the end, he said, "I don't know. I am just an American." We all laughed and at the same time it gave me an opportunity to play American tunes in a meaningful way. Being afraid to celebrate the differences and calling it stereo-typing Is ironically another form of stereo-typing in my view. Well, enough of that for now.

On a difference note, thanks for the opportunity to interact with you directly. One of these days I am going to pick a fight with you about the accordion! LOL. Mind you there are a lot of us here on the forum! We will “squeeze” you until you say, “Uncle” and pick up a squeezebox yourself.” Oops, some accordion players don’t like the word squeezebox.

[A humor based on race stereotype given by my black minister/musician friend of mine when we were eating watermelon together is deleted.]

Chris
Originally Posted By cgiles
Originally Posted By Torch

My former accordion teacher (Contino's cousin) a top notch Jazz organist/accordionist once said about Black musicians; they are either good or bad, nothing in between.


You should have taken that opportunity to tell him what a ridiculous statement that is. That is precisely how stereotypes are born. When it comes to music (and most things), Blacks are no different from any other group; there are good musicians, bad musicians and a whole lot in between. Perpetuating these myths serves no good purpose and only causes people to see groups other than their own in a different (and usually negative) light. I've heard the same kind of drivel (right here on THIS board) about Black athletes; that their success is the result of God-given talent', as though they just 'showed up' one day, fresh from the ghetto, donned a NFL jersey and ran for 200 yards. One does not become a world-class athlete without thousands of hours of work and tremendous personal sacrifice in order to hone their craft. This is true no matter the color of the athlete.

The problem with statements like that is that, in most cases, they sound innocent to the person saying (or repeating) them. Some even think they're complimentary. THEY'RE NOT. It's the bedrock that bigotry and prejudice is built upon. It's how we subtly brainwash our children and pass on these beliefs from generation to generation. I think it's way past time for it to stop.

Torch, I'm sure you didn't mean anything mean or malicious by referencing your teacher's comment....but that's PRECISELY my point. It's like the current political climate where we've learned to 'normalize' rude behavior, name-calling, and all the things we used to abhor. I'm not SUPER-sensitive but felt compelled to speak up here (for all the reasons I listed). I really hope you don't take this as a personal attack because it's not. I'm just trying to bring awareness to a situation that affects me personally.

chas


Edited by Torch (01/12/18 02:13 PM)
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#444561 - 01/12/18 12:06 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By tony mads usa
Originally Posted By Torch
I thought some of you might enjoy listening to some great chord progressions and playing. I've never heard Mary Had A Little Lamb like this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svxEUOfkRbY




Torch, I thoroughly enjoyed this video ... I just think that if he was trying to help the young man to "Gospelize" a song, some additional instruction as to what he was playing would have been helpful ...
BTW ... with the band in NY we would do "A Word From Our Sponsor" and sing the Schaeffer beer commercial when ever we played the "Beer Barrel Polka" ...
Tony, I am glad to hear you enjoyed the video as I did. My teacher called me earlier tonight and said he enjoyed it too. One of the things my teacher mentioned was how the player was using triplets on just about every beat. He was right. that is very "typical" of black gospel music. In fact, I watched a demo by a black gospel musician on Youtube. He explained that blues and black gospel music are very very similar, except for the heavy use of triplets in gospel music. I want to be careful here, but in the olden days, the music that some of these musicians played in a bar the night before was the same song they were playing Sunday morning in church, I read. Just different lyrics.

By the way, the player in the video had a website where he had teaching material. Maybe that's why he didn't go over in detail.
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#444562 - 01/12/18 01:28 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Mark79100]
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Originally Posted By Mark79100
Let’s leave the “non-musical” discussion alone, shall we, before Nigel closes down the topic.


I thought about removing this thread but then thinking about it doing that would just be like simply hiding the issue under the rug. I decided that chas's comments deserve to be preserved. I agree with him completely. I am sure there was no intentional offense meant but that is actually the problem that chas is referring to. People make statements without realizing they are crossing the line. It has gone on far too long and it is time to stop it now. I am not mad at anyone but just ask that you all think about what you are posting means to everyone who reads it. Humor based on racial stereotypes is never acceptable.

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#444568 - 01/12/18 04:50 AM Re: The Best Rendition of Mary Had a Little Lamb [Re: Torch]
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I don't want to belabor this or prolong the topic but I just felt a need to thank Nigel for his understanding and support. But I also wanted to thank, no, actually PRAISE, Chris (Torch) for NOT becoming defensive about my comments and showing great sensitivity and understanding to my view of the situation. Heck, I even forgive his misspelling of 'steak' smile and ending what was a beautifully articulated post with "humor based on racial stereotypes". Ahhh, old habits are soooo hard to break smile. Anyway, the point he and I and Nigel was trying to make was that Synthzone is much more than an 'ol boys club and is, in fact, a beautifully diverse international forum where all are invited to participate (within some liberal but well-defined guidelines). We could not have a more fair or impartial moderator (who probably should be ambassador to the UN smile ) and his message, as I read it, is that we all need to be aware of how what we post may affect the feelings of others. Sounds simple enough to me.

chas
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