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#443697 - 01/01/18 12:13 PM 1st SD9 broken promise!
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2860
Loc: South Africa
Please be aware that the SD9 will not load any pure midi styles (no audio loops, but midi loops present) created on the Audya.

Ketron!!! I am starting to loose respect for you. You act like a bunch of amateurs and then you expect others to fall over their feet to purchase your products.

Please, do not try any of my new styles on your SD9 - it WON'T work!!! I do not know how to fix this and rest assured that Ketron will NOT bother to respond on this.

Henni
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#443712 - 01/01/18 02:17 PM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Henni]
abacuses Offline
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Registered: 12/28/17
Posts: 11
Loc: regensburg germany
Hi There,

i hope the next SD9 Update clear the Problems.

abacuses

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#443762 - 01/02/18 07:34 AM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Henni]
hammer Offline
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Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 2148
Loc: Texas
I have to reply to these posts. First I do not own a SD9 Pro and have not had a chance to play one in person. I do however own 2 Ketron SD7s and have had them for about 3 years. So far I have not had a single problem with either of the two SD7s. I have converted thousands of legacy Ketron styles on the SD7 with no problems at all. That said, NONE of the Audya styles would convert. I play midi files, MP3 files, WAV files and all play without a single issue. I have played live gigs with the SD7s for three years - never once have I had a problem.

Maybe I am missing something here in Henni's post but as far as the SD7 is concerned I can highly recommend it to anyone.

Deane

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#443774 - 01/02/18 09:23 AM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Henni]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2860
Loc: South Africa
My point is that it was stated that the SD9 could convert and play all Audya styles. My point is that the SD9 can not even convert midi only *.PAT styles, even if not created direct on the Audya.

Never once did I say that the SD9 was not reliable. It is just not suitable for those who want to use older none AJAMSONIC and non Ketron 3rd party styles with their new SD9.

Those two firms ought not be the ONLY providers of 3rd party styles. Ketron should go learn by Yamaha on this.

And I STRESS again that "THIS OUGHT NOT BE SO!!!" Any arranger should be backwards compatible - PERIOD!

Can you imagine the scene if the new Genos would not play Tyros styles? Shame on Ketron!!! If something plays on the Audya, it should also play on the SD9, especially if the onboard Audya audio drums are not used.

Deane, I find it laughable that you pretend that this is not an issue, especially since you used all your Tyros created gig stuff to play on your new Genos at your regular gigs. Yet you shun Ketron users from wanting/expecting to do same...

By the way: Do you know of any style conversion software that will convert other brands to *.KST format? So how do you suggest to get there for those who purchased the new SD9??? Unless it comes DIRECT from Ketron or AJAMSONIC, it CANNOT be had for the SD9!!! Sheeeeezzzz man...
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#443786 - 01/02/18 01:03 PM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Henni]
hammer Offline
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Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 2148
Loc: Texas
If you are saying the SD9 will not convert Ketron Legacy styles that is a problem. I would be very unhappy if I had 3 years of SD7 gig setups and found out I could not use them on a new SD9 Pro.

Deane

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#443792 - 01/02/18 01:15 PM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Henni]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2860
Loc: South Africa
I did not say that. Let me put this in a way that you can understand.

I am a normal individual. Yet I am able to convert most (99%) of the SD9 styles to play on my Audya, minus the missing loops off course.

Ketron, being the creator of the software, has no excuse whatsoever for not being able to convert whatever is on the Audya to the SD9. If something is at a different address or missing, simply point it to the correct address or closest fit.

As for 3rd party styles, it is something minor causing a major issue. If Ketron bothers to investigate this, they will within 5 minutes find a common error in all non Ketron converted 3rd party styles. It would take them no more than a single afternoon to write code that would fix this and then make this simple software available to all users.

Fact is, they could simply not be bothered. Pure & simple. Their support stinks. Their attitude stinks. All of this whist their products shine.

I need not say more.
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#443801 - 01/02/18 01:51 PM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Henni]
Bernie9 Offline
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Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 4316
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
I think we need AJ to weigh in on this.
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#443805 - 01/02/18 02:23 PM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Henni]
hammer Offline
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Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 2148
Loc: Texas
Henni,
I misunderstood your post. I thought you were referring to the Ketron Legacy styles. Yes, I agree - the Audya styles should be useable on the SD9.

I am aware of the problems Ketron has with support. I had a SD2 module I used with vArranger. It went south after I installed the firmware update provided by Ketron. After months of waiting and making phone calls to the dealer which never got returned I just gave up. Finally, AJ, who read my post on the forum just sent one to me.

I am just very glad we have AJ here in the USA to help out and that my SD7s have been very reliable.

Deane

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#443819 - 01/02/18 05:24 PM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Henni]
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Loc: Middletown, DE
Henni,

Please advise those you know who have tried using the style converter on the SD9 Pro and experienced abnormalities with this and any other functions .... if they bought their SD9 Pro with OS 1.0.0, they MUST first install OS 1.0.1 (as is clearly mentioned on our website) BEFORE installing OS 1.0.2. My guess is they possibly had OS 1.0.0 in their units, skipped updating with OS 1.0.1 (which has crucial updates not repeated in OS 1.0.2) and updated directly to OS 1.0.2 (which has updates not found in OS 1.0.1 either).

Also I'll state this again. The SD-series is NOT the AUDYA series and is not the flagship (else it would have been in our brochures as we've usually done e.g SD1, AUDYA). The SD9 Pro is also built on a totally newer platform than the AUDYA and so compatibility could sometimes be problematic. If you do convert a style from AUDYA to SD9 Pro, do not forget to also bring on board the Audio resources and name them appropriately ..... in AUDYA, styles are named xxx@120.wav, in the SD9 Pro, you need to create a folder with the style name and BPM (e.g. POP 112), then in this folder, put in all 18 or 22 (for styles with 8 variation parts) audio files associated with the style (ARR A.wav, ARR B.wav ...etc) ).

Hope this clarifies this.

Thanks,
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#443827 - 01/02/18 09:08 PM Re: 1st SD9 broken promise! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2860
Loc: South Africa
Originally Posted By SD9 User
At this time a answer from ketron germany . Do you have the Audya Audio Drums and Audya Guitars in the Style? At this Time are Styles with Audya Drums and Guitars not possible at Sd9. At the next Time Sandro from ketron Italy contact  with you takes up.
Your Style are great and perfect. The Problems must be solve. i need your styles, all 3000 ;-)"


AJ,

Well, if the SD9 is NOT the Audya replacement, then I perfectly understand the issue. Up to now I have been informed by various non official sources that it WAS...

I have no further feud. I'll wait patiently for the next generation Audya as I will move heaven & earth to get one.

Thank you for your feedback.

Henni
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