Thats exactly my point...

They didn't add any real workstation features
They just say they did..

- No deep edditing on board..
- A near useless live controll section, because you can not assign 95% of the parameters you would want to add
- just 216 different arps.. only 1 at a time.. and no room for user created ones. (The €300 mx synth has 2000 of them and room for saving user stuff
- the same old linear sequencer.. there is a reason the youth is using Fl studio and ableton live or korg gadget or whatever..

Can you tel me what workstation features did they add?
I can tell you... exactly none at all... that werent allready in T5

I think the future is a workstation (like the Kronos) , with added arranger features, ....and ipad and pc (daw/vst) integration of the highest level... integration by combining a system like NI komplete kontrol, with the audio over USB from the Montage..


I dont know if anyone knows the program V-console for Tyros 5...
Which shows some pc integration... if they would add VST support to it... and route the audio back tothe Genos/Tyros... that would be a huge step...

Or audiobus 3 on the ipad... create an app that runs on the ipad, sends and receives audio and midi. And suppports audiobus 3

If you want the youth... give them a workstation that integrates perfectly with all the things they are allready using...

And the same goes for composers... Yamaha tries to push the Genos as a perfect scratchboard for composers. But the only tool they get is an arranger and a build in sequencer... but no integration whatsover with their daw... there shouls be an easy way(like montage has) to send a project from the local sequencer.. to the DAW... like montage connect...


Its not fair pushing the montage as a workstation... and not giving the people the tools that are allready created and maintained by yamaha ... to use the Genos as a serious extension of their studio..


If you say A... you need to say B to...
And not like Yamaha typicaly does create a 10 year long road from A to B...

Hi Bachus

As usual a very well-written post. A shame - and an error - that it is not welcome at the other forum. We will only get smarter through discussions!

Best wishes
Jørgen

most of psr people are on here reading too

Many of them are..

But with some major exceptions
I guess most of them appreciate constructive criticisme
And realise that its the only way for consumers can make things happen.

For me its a fact, that i have to learn to live with

I also realise that PSR tutorial has a lot to offer
Trough people like you vissiting and helping others

Its not a bad community..
Its just that a substantial part of them just does not seem to understand me..
Or does not want to understand me and stay in their happy bubble..

Its their choice..
I have no feelings of hate towards anyone
Yet there indeed are some things i just don’t understand.

Bachus, are you banned at PSR again, and posts deleted?

Yes, reason, to many people complained about my posts being offensive..
That was given as the reason.

Personally, i disagree, critical yes, but offensive?


And then there is offcourse the personal grunch of some moderators against me.. sad but true...

Bachus,
I have never seen your posts as offensive, nor rude or offending against any members. Not at PSR, not here.
In fact, I find your post informative and well written, even if not agree in everything.

As I said in a new tread about your ban at PSR, "never seen rude comments, but views and thoughts about technical issues, wishes, cons and pros".
I think to many PSR members ( and moderators? ) don't cope with any critics or any negative comments against Yamaha.
No matter what, Yamaha is the best in the world, if say something else, hey, get out off here. Period.
If you praise Yamaha and also post a song, you're a gold painted member.
Maybe you just forgot to post a song?

People need to realize that it’s just a stupid keyboard. Bunch of wires and whole lot of plastic. It’s not nobody’s wife or a weird uncle or whatever in between. Also that long thing that goes through our back is called spine. A lot of people lost it, or never even had it . It’s ok to disagree , even to argue as long as we can do it in a nice and civil way.
Bachus you did nothing wrong.

All I can say is Stay Tuned many of the things you are looking for are coming !!!!!!