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#434459 - 07/15/17 11:37 AM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: Henni]
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Deane, there are only three places in the US that I am aware of where you can do this. Washington Music in Rockville, Maryland, and our Synthzone members stores in New England and California. Beyond that, most music stores in the US cater to guitar players because that's where they enjoy the highest sales volume and greatest turnover. The local store where I live only carries a few keyboards now, almost exclusively Yamaha and a couple Roland models - that's it! At one time, he had three dozen keyboards in the store, but they just sat there, waiting for a buyer.

I believe that much of this is because online sales are killing the mom and pop stores that we all relied on for our musical instruments in the past. Other than GC, there are very few music stores around anymore. So sad.

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#434460 - 07/15/17 12:00 PM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: Henni]
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Many people probably didnt evenrealise the sD9 finally arived after more then a year since it was anounced..

I myself will be testing the SD9 next week..
I dont have any intention on buying it..
Maybe if they release a fullfledged module of it in the future..

Actually i think Korg makes the best arranger currently
I think style quallity comes pretty close to ketron..
And the sound engine is much much more advanced

I will report offcourse after my initial experience..



There is another reason why we are not talking about the new SD9
There are no review video's
And there are no extended tutorials of it on Youtube

Its still obvious Ketron does not know how to create hype for their products


Edited by Bachus (07/15/17 12:02 PM)
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#434461 - 07/15/17 01:02 PM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: hammer]
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I could not have explained this any better. Well thought out and written ... but above all, an un biased report from an end user written below.!!!

In an attempt to rectify the lack of service issues those in the USA are complaining about, could you please outline the specific service issues you've experienced with KETRON and how you suggest these could be resolved - e.g.

* Service Issue:- I needed a new mother board for my SD5 but due to lack of an authorized repair center here in Montana, I had to ship the unit over to AJ for repairs and thus missed out on a job.
* Suggested remedy:- Such can be rectified if KETRON had a service center in XXXXXX.

It will also be nice to list the good services you have received to date on this thread so that people reading have a true sense of what's available and what can be improved upon - else our post may only reflect what is not and leave out what is!

TO KEEP THIS PRODUCTIVE, PLEASE SUGGEST A REMEDY FOR ANY SERVICE ISSUE YOU ARE EXPERIENCING IN THE USA. FOR THOSE OUTSIDE THE USA/CANADA, YOU MAY ALSO CONTRIBUTE AS TO HOW WE (in the USA) CAN BETTER ASSIST YOU, SINCE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER SERVICE OR LACK OF SERVICE OUTSIDE THE USA!

LET'S KEEP THIS POSITIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE.

Originally Posted By hammer
Well, this might Piss off a few readers but here is my take on the Ketron products. First, I own 2 of the Ketron SD7 keyboards and have used them on gigs for over 2 years now. I have read just about all the gripes and complaints from users on the forum and I have come to several conclusions.

My first one is most Arranger players have become really lazy in that they want the keyboard to do everything for them with little effort on there part. I guess that is not a bad thing but what ever happened to putting some effort into what you want to accomplish? Just my opinion.

Second, without a doubt the Ketron products are not meant for the home player or players with limited ability. Chord recognition is an example - play sloppy left hand chords and you get very strange results.

Third, if a Ketron owner has limited knowledge with technology they will not enjoy or like the Ketron Product they own. It helps if an owner understands how an OS works and how resources work together.

Fourth, if an owner truly does not know how or does not have the time or desire to learn how to work with the sounds and styles on his keyboard he will also not enjoy the keyboard. It does take some work and time to get what you want.

Fifth, as one of the above posts mentioned, some unhappy users complained of OS bugs with the SD7. I find this very interesting because with both of my SD7 keyboards I have not run into any of the issues some of these owners have reported. It really makes me wonder what they were trying to do when a problem happened. Perhaps I just have not used some of the SD7 features that these players were using.

All this is what I have learned in my two years of gigging with my SD7s and I truly believe it to be true.

I completely agree with the problems all of us have mentioned about the level of support we get from Ketron. God forbid anything ever happens to AJ because we all would be SOL. I also agree with those who say Ketron is behind the other manufactures in a lot of areas - including OS updates and system improvements. Italy seems not to listen to it's customers at all.

Well, this is my 2 cents worth.

Deane

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#434468 - 07/15/17 03:06 PM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: Henni]
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Since you asked...this is what was still happening after owning the SD7 for two months. No remedy was in sight. The right hand would just go "out of tune" with the left hand chords. They kept promising updates but they did not come so I had no choice but to buy something that worked right.
This was recorded live on a job. How embarrassing do you think that was? It happened once or twice a night.
https://app.box.com/s/4a4rvha5zah718ubi3iuqyhnce9gauuw
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#434471 - 07/15/17 04:19 PM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: DonM]
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Good example Don.

This issue was resolved in the first SD7 OS release ... unfortunately, it came a tad late - after you had sold your SD7, but this is a good example indeed - and one we will prevent from happening in the future.

Thanks for contributing to this.
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#434474 - 07/15/17 05:46 PM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Good example Don.

This issue was resolved in the first SD7 OS release ... unfortunately, it came a tad late - after you had sold your SD7, but this is a good example indeed - and one we will prevent from happening in the future.

Thanks for contributing to this.



AJ that's all well and good but these major things should all be worked out "Before" release when people are spending mega bucks on a keyboard...with so much stiff competition customers will drift away very quickly...that said you have always been good to me and my needs I'm glad I was close to the "lab" during my ketron days just in case I needed you.. cool2

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#434478 - 07/15/17 09:55 PM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Good example Don.

This issue was resolved in the first SD7 OS release ... unfortunately, it came a tad late - after you had sold your SD7, but this is a good example indeed - and one we will prevent from happening in the future.

Thanks for contributing to this.



AJ that's all well and good but these major things should all be worked out "Before" release when people are spending mega bucks on a keyboard...with so much stiff competition customers will drift away very quickly...that said you have always been good to me and my needs I'm glad I was close to the "lab" during my ketron days just in case I needed you.. cool2



You cant work out all these things before release... its just not possible with software, that runs on dedicated hardware...

If you want software to run flawlesslly it requires thousands of testers.. that report back.. with inhouse testing, you are fully dependant on testing procedures.. and they just cant test it all..

What matters for a product like this is that the company has a fast way to report and to react based on problems reported by users..

But everyone working in the software buiseness knows that internal testing can do only so much.. they will tell you what you wish for is near impossible and incredible expensive and time consuming..



Where Ketron goes wrong is in the way how they where handling this.


Edited by Bachus (07/15/17 09:56 PM)
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#434489 - 07/16/17 05:25 AM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: Bachus]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Good example Don.

This issue was resolved in the first SD7 OS release ... unfortunately, it came a tad late - after you had sold your SD7, but this is a good example indeed - and one we will prevent from happening in the future.

Thanks for contributing to this.



AJ that's all well and good but these major things should all be worked out "Before" release when people are spending mega bucks on a keyboard...with so much stiff competition customers will drift away very quickly...that said you have always been good to me and my needs I'm glad I was close to the "lab" during my ketron days just in case I needed you.. cool2



You cant work out all these things before release... its just not possible with software, that runs on dedicated hardware...

If you want software to run flawlesslly it requires thousands of testers.. that report back.. with inhouse testing, you are fully dependant on testing procedures.. and they just cant test it all..

What matters for a product like this is that the company has a fast way to report and to react based on problems reported by users..

But everyone working in the software buiseness knows that internal testing can do only so much.. they will tell you what you wish for is near impossible and incredible expensive and time consuming..



Where Ketron goes wrong is in the way how they where handling this.


to a point bachus, ...but, a major flaw like incorrect chord recognition is a big deal that should be fixed BEFORE RELEASE as Don pointed out..btw have you ever owned a ketron arranger kb like the SD models?

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#434497 - 07/16/17 08:11 AM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: Henni]
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Donny,
are you referring to the SD7 when you mention chord recognition? Again, after two years I have not had that issue either of my two SD7 and I play just about every chord you can think of with 3 or 4 fingers as needed.

There are two OS issues I wish Italy would correct in the future though. One has to do with not being able to save things to a pre-determined folder. The other is how the SD7 registrations deal with the voices in them. If you don't number your USER-VOICES and then add more voices to the folder the Registrations will not pick up the correct voice - it looks for the order of the voice in the folder not the name of the voice.

I think this is being addressed but who knows.

Deane


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#434498 - 07/16/17 08:15 AM Re: Wow, no SD9 topic? [Re: hammer]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By hammer
Donny,
are you referring to the SD7 when you mention chord recognition? Again, after two years I have not had that issue either of my two SD7 and I play just about every chord you can think of with 3 or 4 fingers as needed.

Deane


Dean hi I was referring to Don M post about chord recognition......
"Since you asked...this is what was still happening after owning the SD7 for two months. No remedy was in sight. The right hand would just go "out of tune" with the left hand chords. They kept promising updates but they did not come so I had no choice but to buy something that worked right.
This was recorded live on a job. How embarrassing do you think that was? It happened once or twice a night." Don M

https://app.box.com/s/4a4rvha5zah718ubi3iuqyhnce9gauuw


that said I don't remember having the same problem with my SD7....but there were a few quirks that need to work out AJ did his best to help as always ....glad you SD7s are doing the job for you ...good luck.


Edited by Dnj (07/16/17 08:16 AM)

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