Thinking to explore the ORGAN features of my KN7K I invested in a set of MIDI pedals (Ketron). The Technics manual says that, provided the MIDI IN is set to PEDALS, it will receive MIDI messages OK. However, there is no sign of recognition. The pedals work fine with my computer. Does anyone have an answer??
Mike O'R

Mike,
It's been a while since I set up my keyboard for MIDI pedals but here is what I remember.
If you want to play the keyboard as an organ you have to go into the midi preset page and select *Bass Pedals without APC* and set the rear midi switch to *Pedals*.
In this condition the keyboard uses midi channel 4 as the pedal input so you must set your pedal unit to transmit on channel 4.
Give it a try and see if this works.
Walt

Thanks, Walt, but I don't think you were referring to the KN7K. The manual says that, provided the MIDI IN is set to PEDALS, it will receive MIDI messages on ALL channels (OMNI). I have tried resetting the channel to all others available, but with no result. I am beginning to think that there is a fault on my MIDI IN socket, as it won't receive from ANY MIDI device.
Mike O'R

all I do is switch on with the midi switch in the pedal position and it works, then go to part setting or mixer and adjust the bass pedal sound and effects. If you change the midi switch you have to reboot the 7k.

Thanks for the advice, Alec. A HARD RESET did the job, but tell me why neither the Technics Manual nor your "Getting the Most. . ." mention the fact that such a reset was necessary to enable the pedals. Nor is there any advice on maintaining pedal operation if a previous DUMP is loaded.
Mike O'R

simply because a hard reset is not required to enable the pedals or initialise the midi settings, and both the manual and my book mention the fact that a reboot is required when changing over the midi bass pedal input.

I must disagree with you on several points:
1. MY keyboard would not respond to pedals without a HARD RESET. An initialise from the Control Menu was not sufficient.
2. My manual has only one paragraph relating to bass pedal - on page 199 - and, unless my failing eyesight deceives me - there is no mention of the word "boot".
3. Para 2-12 of "Getting the Most" which deals with pedals also has no mention of "boot".
Simply switching the keyboard on and off while changing the MIDI IN switch only works once the pedals have been enabled.
It might have been helpful to mention that a fair amount of "tweaking" is necessary to get the keyboard to emulate an organ, without the APC settings interfering with the simple RH/LH/Pedal arrangement.
Finally, as many pedalboards have key velocity as default, a short explanation of how to disable this would be helpful.
Mike O'R

I disagree with you.
1 I never said an initialise from the Control Menu would clear the problem, I said a hard reset is not necessary - if you know what you are doing.
2 The manual refers to turning off power and on again. If this isn't a reboot of the 7k I don't know what is.
3 The book refers to powering up the 7k, self explanatory.

Now that we've dealt with the facts, I know many owners with pedals who plug them in and go with no problems. Obviously you had some innapropriate midi settings loaded. It is entirely characteristic that rather than look to your own actions you seek to blame everyone else.

It seems impossible to hold a rational discussion with someone who knows it all and is never wrong!! QED
Mike O'R

It is impossible to hold a rational discussion with someone who deliberately omits facts to suit a non-existent case.

You got all the help needed to solve your problem,
did'nt you?
Could it be so that if someone use a lot of time
to examine and learn about things, maybe also know
more about it than those of us who don't pay it as
much attention?

I'm very happy to that we have people like Alec who
so kindly use some of the time they have to help us
out.
Even if I don't have any KN7 yet, I pay attention and
I learn a lot just by reading the posts here.
Maybe I learn so much of it that I can help someone
to carry on as well as myself if needed in the future
too.
So why be so frown about it, just play and be happy,
the pedalset work well now, does'nt it?
GJ

As it turns out, I accidentally solved the problem myself after misunderstanding Alec's solution. I follow most of the discussions on this Forum and there is no doubt that Alec's knowledge of the keyboard is extremely helpful. It just seems a pity that practically every discussion we have has a habit of turning into nasty personal remarks. I certainly don't mean my postings to be like that.
Mike O'R

If a case is made, a right of reply is to be expected. If a case is made with omission and disinformation it will be corrected.

Gunnar, I think you got all your gun’s right on target and know when to fire them. Bulls eye!!!

Doug

Somebody starts a thread titled HELP because he has a problem .
Somebody qualified comes to his aid to help him with his problem but wait, that is not good enough for him so he accuses the helper and states that the helper is wrong.
so what has he achieved . He has alienated the helper and everybody witnesses that the asker is just arrogant and egoistic and nobody really wants to help him anymore so the moral of this story is you are on your own Mike ORegan

I think you're wrong here Johnnie.c, because one of the really
great/good things here at the forums are that we do all as we
can to help eachother.
This we see almost every day, so I'm pretty sure that Mike O'R
will get all the help he need if it's possible to solve any of
the problems whenever he need any.

Happy playing and problemsolving
GJ

Gunnar Jonny
Just read back through the thread and you will see just where the non appreciative and aggressive post originated

Members,

I look forward to this forum on a daily basis and have great respect for the members.

The one thing that destroys the content is this childish bickering. Many times in my lifetime friends have made comments that I did not consider appropriate. I try to un derstand that we all have different personalities and reserve comment. What do we gain by being argumentative.

Lets try to keep this forum on a civil plain and stop these comments.

Fran in Florida

Fran, you see it as childish bickering. I see it as it presents it’s self, arrogant and egotistical. In Mikes own words, quote: It just seems a pity that practically every discussion we have has a habit of turning into nasty personal remarks”. Why I ask? Why? In my point of view not only arrogance and egotism lies at the root but other traits such as negativism, jealousy and the like. This is not the first incident of this nature to occur. This one has to do with personalities. Others have been due to defaming our choice of instrument that we prefer to play. So, how should this be handled? Fran, you say you look forward to this forum on a daily bases and have great respect for the members. I also do, except for a rare few of the members. Just as one germ infiltrating a group of people gathered together can cause much discomfort and stress so can one of these negative attitudes. left unchecked, can do the same for this forum. Fran you prefer to live with this condition and try to understand the germ and let it live and do it’s thing. I boil this down to two courses of action, not passivity. The first is to resist and try to change the situation, the cause of discomfort and stress. The other and least preferable course of action I would pursue if it would not change, would be to leave this aggravation and look for new horizons.

Now Gunner, you know I greatly appreciate your contributions to the good of us all. I think, however, that there might be a small flaw in your last statement, quote: “One of the really
great/good things here at the forums are that ‘we’ do all as we can to help each other”. The only word/thought I would change is: ‘we’. Kind of keep in mind. One bad apple in a bushel can cause problems with the whole. Gunner, you are right, Mike might still get help if he needs it but as Johnnie said, ‘being arrogant and egoistic nobody really wants to help him anymore. I would like to stress the word ‘wants’. I think that is the sad part of the whole thing and as the old saying goes: You made your own bed so now you must sleep in it”. Sad but true.

Disclaimer - This is only the view of the author and in no way reflects the opinion of the management, it’s employees or subscribers. Feel free to chastise the author in any way you see fit. Ruthie has done it freely over the last many years so have a go.

Doug

I've no problem to see what you mean Johnnie and Douglas,
but both Johnnie and myself among others have been through
a lot of attention at this forum earlier on, and even if
we are stated out as "troublemakers", nobody have said they
won't help me, neither Johnnie as far as I know about.
Maybe a slight difference here, but anyway, a kind of the
same, it's the eye who see who make the judgement, and as
we know, we're all indeed different people

What I meant to say is that it is not any good solution to
stand up for all and say "we will not help you", but rather
that "if we don't see any change in atitude, you'll probably
be on your own, because nobody find pleasure in helping you
out if you continue this way".

OK, OK, many english lessons needed before I manage to be
any good writer, but I have a feeling about it's going a bit
better year for year...hopefully.

GJ

Tolerance promotes peace.......

New subject please.....

Fran in Florida

I don’t know anything about this troublemaker stuff your talking about but you guys are first class in my book.

Doug

Fran, request granted. At least on my end.

Doug