A tutorial that shows how easy it is to be creative with ableton live

Now imagine the Genos having a system like this..
But then instead of Clips, there would be arranger parts..
Both audio as well as midi parts

Add to that the fact that you can also start a whole line of clips at the same time
Or even jump to a scene starting a selection of clips...

Now think back to the Montage..
There is 4 lines of 8 buttons to the right of the screen..
There could be a selection button setting up those buttons to controll the clips..


Now, here comes the question, a feature like this would be fun to add more diversity to styles,
making them much more dynamic. You could even add some randomnes to those scenes where a selection of different clips is chosen at Random
But do we as arranger players have time to select all of this in real time?

For professionals yes, however, arrangers are for the home market, and if that was included as standard then they would alienate 99.9% of the arranger user base.
If it was an addition that could be added to an arranger (Much like Yamaha do with their iPad Apps) then it would be good, but again, only professionals would be interested, and would know how to set it up using 3rd party software anyway.
Remember, arrangers are designed to be simple to use, (Yamaha forgot this with the T5 and sales have been dismal compared to previous generations) and with the market declining, (At least in TOTL) manufactures do not want to put even more people off.
While it would be nice to have home and professional in one box, in most cases I would say it would put more users off, then turn them on. (Nice to dream though)
Bill

A) There is so many professionals using arrangers that your statement that arrangers are for the home market, is totally untrue. While Yamaha still often keeps the home user in mind, Roland Casio and espescially Korg keep adding features based on the demands of pro players, not based on what home players wish for.

B) the fact that you state that only professionals would be interested indicates that you underestimate a huge group of the home players.. that are looking for tools to improve their performances..

C) With a feature like this, they would be able to become the ultimate EDM keyboard. Pulling in much of the youth..



You can add about anything to an arranger keyboard, if you only make it easilly accesible ...


However, if i am right, Yamaha is going to fully aim at the pro players with the Genos.. and going with a PSR pro series for the home players.. However, mark my words, most aspiring home players will follow the pro line..

Been around the market for well over 40 years (Well over 45 years if you include passive involvement) and have seen many changes, here, in Europe and the US, I can assure you that Pro arranger players are negligible in comparison to home players. (Remember over 90% of arranger players (Or any type of player) don’t post on forums, so forums cannot be used as a guide)
Unlike most other manufactures that had a home and professional division, Korg was always professional, which is why their early arrangers got a reputation of being difficult to use, now things have settled down, they know how to make their arrangers do both in a form that most can understand, (Something manufactures with 2 divisions have problems with) hence they are going from strength to strength.
As to youth, then forget arrangers as they are for the old, (Uncool) and it requires something completely new to entice them. (If you don’t believe me just talk to today’s youngsters)
Bill

Just try and look outside your local situation...

In middle east, asia, and many other regions, arranger keys are by far the most sold keyboards... not just for homeplayers, but also for most local professional musicians.. because these keyboards are to versatile for performers to neglect..

In any market, consumers will follow the professionals, as those are the people who in general make use of the most features and will see shortcommings and flaws much easier then an amateur...

Having 45 years of experience in the buiseness might actually have blinded you from whats happening outside of your local situation. The general arranger market is quickly moving away from 70+ year old europeans towards the needs of the asians which by now make the biggest market..


And guess why yamaha is loosing out on that market to the Casio MZ-X and the Roland EA-7? (Because the around €1000 mark is huge huge huge in Asia). Those are mostly young people that want tomperform and they are using arranger keyboards..

Thats because yamaha is mainly build with home players in mind...