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#424667 - 08/10/16 08:31 PM how do YOU communicate with other band members
Mark79100 Senior Member Registered: 10/23/06 Posts: 1661 Loc: USA	I think about this every so often. I thought I'd throw it out there this time. I was hired to be the "German accordionist" with a band last year. I never played with them before. I did the customary "salute" during playing to advise the band members what key I was going into. Every time we ended up playing in different keys. I questioned the guitarist. I said I had one finger "UP" meaning I'm going into the key of G. Two fingers "DOWN" means entering B flat. He argued endlessly that I had it wrong...one finger up means F and two down means D. I haven't played in a band in years. Do I have it wrong?
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#424669 - 08/10/16 10:09 PM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Mark79100]
Uncle Dave Senior Member Registered: 12/01/99 Posts: 12800 Loc: Penn Yan, NY	That's the way I always called the keys. Up for sharps! _________________________ No longer monitoring this forum. Please visit www.daveboydmusic.com for contact info
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#424676 - 08/11/16 03:25 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Mark79100]
Bernie9 Senior Member Registered: 09/21/02 Posts: 5510 Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA	My band has always done the same. _________________________ pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#424677 - 08/11/16 03:35 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Bernie9]
bruno123 Senior Member Registered: 06/04/02 Posts: 4912 Loc: West Palm Beach, FL 33417	I don't remember it being anything different. The words themselves tell the story. Flat is flat. John C.
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#424681 - 08/11/16 06:27 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Mark79100]
Fran Carango Senior Member Registered: 05/26/99 Posts: 9673 Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA	Originally Posted By: Mark79100 I think about this every so often. I thought I'd throw it out there this time. I was hired to be the "German accordionist" with a band last year. I never played with them before. I did the customary "salute" during playing to advise the band members what key I was going into. Every time we ended up playing in different keys. I questioned the guitarist. I said I had one finger "UP" meaning I'm going into the key of G. Two fingers "DOWN" means entering B flat. He argued endlessly that I had it wrong...one finger up means F and two down means D. I haven't played in a band in years. Do I have it wrong? Mark,if your original key was C in your example, you are using circle of fifths (accordion players)... If your guitar guy was in the key of E...than he is correct.. I have always based on half steps.up or down, self explaining. Up 1, raise a half step.. Even girl singers get this. Edited by Fran Carango (08/11/16 06:28 AM) _________________________ www.francarango.com
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#424688 - 08/11/16 07:49 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Fran Carango]
tony mads usa Senior Member Registered: 01/16/02 Posts: 14376 Loc: East Greenwich RI USA	For me - and my band mates - it was always up for sharps, down for flats ... _________________________ t.
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#424689 - 08/11/16 09:08 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Mark79100]
124 Senior Member Registered: 01/01/09 Posts: 2195	Not sure how any of that works. I was always in bands that knew what song was coming next, and what key they were in.
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#424690 - 08/11/16 10:11 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Mark79100]
travlin'easy Senior Member Registered: 12/08/02 Posts: 15563 Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA	Ditto! _________________________ PSR-S950, TC Helicon Harmony-M, Digitech VR, Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Custom Console, and lots of other silly stuff! K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#424692 - 08/11/16 10:17 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: 124]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: 124 Not sure how any of that works. I was always in bands that knew what song was coming next, and what key they were in. ditto................. as musical director playing keyboards on tour years ago with show bands during sound check & rehearsals,I would always single out each player randomly to play their part solo to see if they were holding their own as a slacker could ruin a show,....everyone had to pull their weight always or your gone. Simple as that. Edited by Dnj (08/11/16 10:18 AM)
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#424696 - 08/11/16 11:12 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Fran Carango]
bruno123 Senior Member Registered: 06/04/02 Posts: 4912 Loc: West Palm Beach, FL 33417	Fran, I do not understand your post. Where did you find C in Marks post? And what does the circle of fifths have to do with hand signals? Just trying to understand. John C.
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#424738 - 08/12/16 04:03 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: bruno123]
Bernie9 Senior Member Registered: 09/21/02 Posts: 5510 Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA	"C" was only an example I believe. However,if the signals given are in Concert C, Bb people would always have to transpose the 2 step difference in their heads to move to the new key. _________________________ pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#424739 - 08/12/16 05:58 AM Re: how do YOU communicate with other band members [Re: Mark79100]
bruno123 Senior Member Registered: 06/04/02 Posts: 4912 Loc: West Palm Beach, FL 33417	The greater part of my music career was playing in a band. Sax players and trumpet players and bass players wanted the hands signs to be given from a concert key of C major. They transposed the rest themselves. How confusing t would be if we were giving hand signals based on the different instruments ( Bb Eb) in the band. In all my 45+ years of playing with other musicians I have never seen a musician use Up for flat keys and Down for sharp keys. Just saying, John C.
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