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#421219 - 05/12/16 07:20 AM MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo
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This is more of the sounds we can expect from Ralph Maten

Again i must say, it sounds very good for a sub €1000 arranger.
But yet, still not a typicall arranger performance.

Hope to get my hands on one soon.
Seems its mostly aimed at EDM.
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#421221 - 05/12/16 08:46 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: Bachus]
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This Ralph Maten has made it clear more than once that he actually frowns on orchestral sounds. From that moment on all my interest in this Casio instrument has disappeared, as it was clear enough to me that the EDM focus is not my cup of tea.

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#421222 - 05/12/16 08:52 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: Bachus]
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#421225 - 05/12/16 10:23 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
This Ralph Maten has made it clear more than once that he actually frowns on orchestral sounds. From that moment on all my interest in this Casio instrument has disappeared, as it was clear enough to me that the EDM focus is not my cup of tea.

I downloaded the MZ-X500 Appendix document from the Casio web site. It lists all the tones, rhythms, and other presets inside. It does list more modern stuff, true, but for the most part I see what you usually find in arranger keyboards: Lots of pop, rock, R&B, disco, jazz, Latin, ballroom, etc. Because, you know, EDM. ;-)


PS. People who dismiss (or dump on) Casio products before even trying them are looking increasingly shrill nowadays.


Edited by AlenK (05/12/16 10:59 AM)

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#421227 - 05/12/16 11:00 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: Bachus]
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Yes but how does these styles sound. There is still no decent demo to show us how these styles sound. only what I hear are the same sounds and styles again and again. I own a ctk 7200 and what I have heard sofar doesn't sound that much better as the ctk 7200.

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#421228 - 05/12/16 11:02 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: AlenK]
rosetree
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Originally Posted By: AlenK
Originally Posted By: rosetree
This Ralph Maten has made it clear more than once that he actually frowns on orchestral sounds. From that moment on all my interest in this Casio instrument has disappeared, as it was clear enough to me that the EDM focus is not my cup of tea.

I downloaded the MZ-X500 Appendix document from the Casio web site. It lists all the tones, rhythms, and other presets inside. It does list more modern stuff, true, but for the most part I see what you usually find in arranger keyboards: Lots of pop, rock, R&B, disco, jazz, Latin, ballroom, etc. Because, you know, EDM. ;-)


PS. People who dismiss (or dump on) Casio stuff before even trying it are looking increasingly shrill nowadays.


I am open-minded regarding Casio, only if a major presenter ridicules orchestral sounds in the way Ralph Maten did at Musikmesse (maybe you didn't take note of it, I think it was an interview in German), I'm done with it as orchestral sounds are my main interest. No matter whether the brand is Casio, Roland or anything.


Edited by rosetree (05/12/16 11:02 AM)

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#421232 - 05/12/16 12:51 PM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
Originally Posted By: AlenK
Originally Posted By: rosetree
This Ralph Maten has made it clear more than once that he actually frowns on orchestral sounds. From that moment on all my interest in this Casio instrument has disappeared, as it was clear enough to me that the EDM focus is not my cup of tea.

I downloaded the MZ-X500 Appendix document from the Casio web site. It lists all the tones, rhythms, and other presets inside. It does list more modern stuff, true, but for the most part I see what you usually find in arranger keyboards: Lots of pop, rock, R&B, disco, jazz, Latin, ballroom, etc. Because, you know, EDM. ;-)

Did you listen the demo, one needs to admit that those strings certainly sounded good...

Ralph prommised me that he would show the typicall arranger capabillities with typicall arranger sounds and typicall arranger styles in another upcomming demo...

PS. People who dismiss (or dump on) Casio stuff before even trying it are looking increasingly shrill nowadays.


I am open-minded regarding Casio, only if a major presenter ridicules orchestral sounds in the way Ralph Maten did at Musikmesse (maybe you didn't take note of it, I think it was an interview in German), I'm done with it as orchestral sounds are my main interest. No matter whether the brand is Casio, Roland or anything.


Did you listen the demo, one needs to admit that those strings certainly sounded good...

Ralph prommised me that he would show the typicall arranger capabillities with typicall arranger sounds and typicall arranger styles in another upcomming demo...


Edited by Bachus (05/12/16 12:52 PM)
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#421233 - 05/12/16 01:00 PM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
Yes but how does these styles sound. There is still no decent demo to show us how these styles sound.
Agreed that Casio needs to make demos that highlight the styles. Its a big missing.

Originally Posted By: rosetree
Originally Posted By: AlenK
Originally Posted By: rosetree
This Ralph Maten has made it clear more than once that he actually frowns on orchestral sounds. From that moment on all my interest in this Casio instrument has disappeared, as it was clear enough to me that the EDM focus is not my cup of tea.

I downloaded the MZ-X500 Appendix document from the Casio web site. It lists all the tones, rhythms, and other presets inside. It does list more modern stuff, true, but for the most part I see what you usually find in arranger keyboards: Lots of pop, rock, R&B, disco, jazz, Latin, ballroom, etc. Because, you know, EDM. ;-)


PS. People who dismiss (or dump on) Casio stuff before even trying it are looking increasingly shrill nowadays.


I am open-minded regarding Casio, only if a major presenter ridicules orchestral sounds in the way Ralph Maten did at Musikmesse (maybe you didn't take note of it, I think it was an interview in German), I'm done with it as orchestral sounds are my main interest. No matter whether the brand is Casio, Roland or anything.

I know the video you reference and you're right, I don't know what he said there because I don't speak German and no captions nor auto-translation is provided. But it's hard to understand why you would dismiss a keyboard's capability in a particular area (orchestral sounds) simply because of ONE Casio rep's verbal statements about it, especially considering what you perceive as his musical bias. When the MZ-X500 becomes available in a store near you why not audition it first?

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#421234 - 05/12/16 01:50 PM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: AlenK]
rosetree
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Originally Posted By: AlenK

I know the video you reference and you're right, I don't know what he said there because I don't speak German and no captions nor auto-translation is provided. But it's hard to understand why you would dismiss a keyboard's capability in a particular area (orchestral sounds) simply because of ONE Casio rep's verbal statements about it, especially considering what you perceive as his musical bias. When the MZ-X500 becomes available in a store near you why not audition it first?


I have been open by listening to some demos of the instrument, and if I happen to see it in a store I guess I will try it, too, but Maten expressed it in quite a general way, saying the developers focused on electronic sounds and EDM music, and orchestral sounds are not what the instrument is about.
I have always considered all brands to be potentially interesting, but I'm not a Casio fan to be eagerly interesting in an instrument when a main demonstrator expressly turns me away from it.

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#421237 - 05/12/16 04:10 PM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
Originally Posted By: AlenK
Originally Posted By: rosetree
This Ralph Maten has made it clear more than once that he actually frowns on orchestral sounds. From that moment on all my interest in this Casio instrument has disappeared, as it was clear enough to me that the EDM focus is not my cup of tea.

I downloaded the MZ-X500 Appendix document from the Casio web site. It lists all the tones, rhythms, and other presets inside. It does list more modern stuff, true, but for the most part I see what you usually find in arranger keyboards: Lots of pop, rock, R&B, disco, jazz, Latin, ballroom, etc. Because, you know, EDM. ;-)


PS. People who dismiss (or dump on) Casio stuff before even trying it are looking increasingly shrill nowadays.


I am open-minded regarding Casio, only if a major presenter ridicules orchestral sounds in the way Ralph Maten did at Musikmesse (maybe you didn't take note of it, I think it was an interview in German), I'm done with it as orchestral sounds are my main interest. No matter whether the brand is Casio, Roland or anything.



I feel exactly the same way, Rosetree. More specifically, I want the keyboard to excel in 3 major groups of sounds in a keyboard, whether it's a workstation or an arranger; Acoustic, Orchestral and Choir. If a keyboard is weak in 1 or more of these areas, I dismiss the keyboard. For me, other sounds are way less important.


Edited by Mikem (05/12/16 04:13 PM)
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#421239 - 05/12/16 04:37 PM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: Bachus]
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The MZ X500 excel in piano's, e-piano's, bass, organ and synth sounds. I really like these sounds especially the hex layer sounds but is this worth 1000 euro? I don't know yet but I am still interested in this casio.


Edited by FransN (05/12/16 04:47 PM)

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#421246 - 05/13/16 03:08 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
The MZ X500 excel in piano's, e-piano's, bass, organ and synth sounds. I really like these sounds especially the hex layer sounds but is this worth 1000 euro? I don't know yet but I am still interested in this casio.


Where it comes to piano, the mz-x falls short of the real Casio DP..

I think the guitar sounds are atleast very decent
And the string sounds are actually quite good from this video..

And all the other sounds, and acompanying styles i havent heared demoed...
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#421248 - 05/13/16 06:27 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
Originally Posted By: AlenK

I know the video you reference and you're right, I don't know what he said there because I don't speak German and no captions nor auto-translation is provided. But it's hard to understand why you would dismiss a keyboard's capability in a particular area (orchestral sounds) simply because of ONE Casio rep's verbal statements about it, especially considering what you perceive as his musical bias. When the MZ-X500 becomes available in a store near you why not audition it first?


I have been open by listening to some demos of the instrument, and if I happen to see it in a store I guess I will try it, too, but Maten expressed it in quite a general way, saying the developers focused on electronic sounds and EDM music, and orchestral sounds are not what the instrument is about.
I have always considered all brands to be potentially interesting, but I'm not a Casio fan to be eagerly interesting in an instrument when a main demonstrator expressly turns me away from it.

Let me float a possibility by you. Sales to young musicians (can I say the EDM crowd, although there are plenty of older people interested in that?) are very important. Many won't even look at arrangers because they associate them with "elevator musak." So Ralph says what he said to try to attract the EDM crowd to the machine. It doesn't necessarily mean it isn't competent in other areas too. That remains to be seen. Frankly, to my ears many of the non-synth sounds I hear in the Ralph Maten video the OP posted are encouragingly good. And Casio has evidently implemented something very much like Yamaha's Megavoices as well as triggerable articulations. A little late to the party, granted, but they are there now. Hopefully future videos will highlight these aspects as well as the styles. Given the newness of the product I choose to remain positive about the potential of the MZ-X500. Casio knows they have to get it right.

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#421251 - 05/13/16 06:52 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
Originally Posted By: FransN
The MZ X500 excel in piano's, e-piano's, bass, organ and synth sounds. I really like these sounds especially the hex layer sounds but is this worth 1000 euro? I don't know yet but I am still interested in this casio.


Where it comes to piano, the mz-x falls short of the real Casio DP..

I think the guitar sounds are atleast very decent
And the string sounds are actually quite good from this video..

And all the other sounds, and acompanying styles i havent heared demoed...


True but the piano on the mz x500 and the one ctk 7200 aswell sound a lot better then the one on the korg pa 600 I have had. Not better then the one on the havian I have now that piano sound is excellent.


Edited by FransN (05/13/16 07:37 AM)

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#421254 - 05/13/16 07:50 AM Re: MZ/X500 Ralph Maten sound Demo [Re: AlenK]
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Originally Posted By: AlenK
Originally Posted By: rosetree
Originally Posted By: AlenK

I know the video you reference and you're right, I don't know what he said there because I don't speak German and no captions nor auto-translation is provided. But it's hard to understand why you would dismiss a keyboard's capability in a particular area (orchestral sounds) simply because of ONE Casio rep's verbal statements about it, especially considering what you perceive as his musical bias. When the MZ-X500 becomes available in a store near you why not audition it first?


I have been open by listening to some demos of the instrument, and if I happen to see it in a store I guess I will try it, too, but Maten expressed it in quite a general way, saying the developers focused on electronic sounds and EDM music, and orchestral sounds are not what the instrument is about.
I have always considered all brands to be potentially interesting, but I'm not a Casio fan to be eagerly interesting in an instrument when a main demonstrator expressly turns me away from it.

Let me float a possibility by you. Sales to young musicians (can I say the EDM crowd, although there are plenty of older people interested in that?) are very important. Many won't even look at arrangers because they associate them with "elevator musak." So Ralph says what he said to try to attract the EDM crowd to the machine. It doesn't necessarily means it isn't competent in other areas too. That remains to be seen. Frankly, to my ears many of the non-synth sounds I hear in the Ralph Maten video the OP posted are encouragingly good. And Casio has evidently implemented something very much like Yamaha's Megavoices as well as triggerable articulations. A little late to the party, granted, but they are there now. Hopefully future videos will highlight these aspects as well as the styles. Given the newness of the product I choose to remain positive about the potential of the MZ-X500. Casio knows they have to get it right.


This could be true.. But we still havent heared any good demo's to convince us of that...

And while it has something compared to mega voices, there still is no evidence of anything like good sounding sa/dnc level acoustic sounds....

So we need to wayt till one of the current owners/demonstrators finds some time to record us some typicall arranger performances...

So far however everything still looks very prommissing, the only weak part so far seems to be the number of insert effects, only 2 for the 48 tracks..
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