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#415571 - 01/29/16 12:54 PM Casio MZ x500 Demo
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Looking at the design its definitely gonna be hard to find a case for this KB..unless its custom made.... just sayin'


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#415584 - 01/29/16 11:37 PM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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That's such a shame . Casio keyboards still sound like Casio keyboards . The piano is a real disappointment and the internal speakers were clearly distorting at what I would regard as modest volume . Not a good demo at all but probably an accurate one ......

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#415586 - 01/30/16 12:45 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: spalding1968]
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Originally Posted By: spalding1968
That's such a shame . Casio keyboards still sound like Casio keyboards . The piano is a real disappointment and the internal speakers were clearly distorting at what I would regard as modest volume . Not a good demo at all but probably an accurate one ......


I dont make any commnets no more on sound quallity, untill i played or heard an instrument live...

It was a mobile phone recording, and a bad setup, with 20 watts, it was probably set to near max volume...


My opinion so far, i think the styles and sounds remind me of the KN7000...and that was Technics, not Casio


Edited by Bachus (01/30/16 12:51 AM)
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#415587 - 01/30/16 01:23 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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The distortion was poor; however I have noticed that a lot of phones do that when recording music, (There only designed for the narrow voice range) so it may not be the keyboard.

Why anybody makes a judgment of a keyboard with a phone recording (See above) escapes me.

Keyboards are usually voiced differently for the Asian (As in the video) and Western market so again there is no idea of whether this is anything like what a western version will sound like.

As I have always said (Similar to what Bachus said) online demos are a waste of time in trying to judge what a keyboard sounds like, the only way to know for sure is to try one for yourself.

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#415598 - 01/30/16 06:54 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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I cannot speak for you guys but I know the basic tone of a piano whether recorded on a mobile phone or direct . That's a very clear tell tale Casio piano tone . It's not an eastern or Western piano tone regardless as to which market it is set up for . And the distortion was not from the phone recording it was from the speakers . I have played enough Casio keyboards to know . Anyway time will tell .

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#415604 - 01/30/16 08:19 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: spalding1968]
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I don't know on what planet you live but the piano sounds on the casio's are very good. I have owned the XW-p1 for 2 years and I love the piano sounds on it not to mention the other great sounds it have.

But I missed the styles so I bought the ctk-7200 which has even a better piano sound then the XW p1

Now the MZ X500. I know that it have the same piano sample as the cgp-700. So if you want to know how the piano really sound you should listen to some demo's of the cgp 700.


The distortion came from the phones with which they recorded that MZ X500 video.


Edited by FransN (01/30/16 08:24 AM)

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#415605 - 01/30/16 08:28 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
I don't know on what planet you live but the piano sounds on the casio's are very good. I have owned the XW-p1 for 2 years and I love the piano sounds on it not to mention the other great sounds it have.

But I missed the styles so I bought the ctk-7200 which has even a better piano sound then the XW p1

Now the MZ X500. I know that it have the same piano sample as the cgp-700. So if you want to know how the piano really sound you should listen to some demo's of the cgp 700.


The distortion came from the phones with which they recorded that MZ X500 video.


Okay, the piano's from the CGP 700, use the Air technollogy, the samples might be there, but the MZ-X lacks the piano string resonance or AiR linear morphing tones that make the piano's in the Privia series so good..

Which makes me believe that these piano's are okay for an arranger, but not enough for a stagepiano...
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#415606 - 01/30/16 08:31 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Bachus]
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Yes but it is an arranger. If you want a stage piano buy the PX 560 smile I go for both. Oh and the CGP don't have the Air technollogy. Only the Privia's.


Edited by FransN (01/30/16 08:33 AM)

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#415608 - 01/30/16 08:42 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
... i think the styles and sounds remind me of the KN7000...and that was Technics, not Casio


hmmmm, ... perhaps my friend was right when he told me a number of technics guys had been hired by Casio ...
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#415609 - 01/30/16 08:49 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: tony mads usa]
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The old MZ 2000 was also created by Technics so who knows.

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#415613 - 01/30/16 09:23 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
The old MZ 2000 was also created by Technics so who knows.



Never knew this, where did you find this wisdom?
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#415620 - 01/30/16 10:12 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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Casio needs to get the TOY image out of everyone's mind when they hear the name if they want to compete with the big boys..

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#415624 - 01/30/16 10:26 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Casio needs to get the TOY image out of everyone's mind when they hear the name if they want to compete with the big boys..


There is only one way to archieve this.

REbranding their top products under another name.

As Toyota did once with Lexus.
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#415627 - 01/30/16 10:39 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Casio needs to get the TOY image out of everyone's mind when they hear the name if they want to compete with the big boys..


There is only one way to archieve this.

REbranding their top products under another name.

As Toyota did once with Lexus.


I agree bachus REBranding is the way to go for Casio keyboard division..and produce a TOTL $4000.00 arranger or synth..like the big boyz..


Edited by Dnj (01/30/16 10:40 AM)

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#416093 - 02/05/16 09:16 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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#416098 - 02/05/16 09:54 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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What kind of Style library does Casio have ?

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#416118 - 02/05/16 08:41 PM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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The original MZ-2000 could read and import Roland styles. I didn't see any mention of a feature like this in the new MZ successor. IMO Casio would be smart to license the style library from one of the "big boys." With the price tag some folks might want more variety, or the ability to re-use favorite styles from their current board.
I'm open-minded, but also a little disappointed because the style compatibility and a few parameters related to style control are missing relative to its legendary predecessor. The market will decide if it's worth what they're asking (and possibly whether there will be a TOTL version in the future!)

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#416119 - 02/05/16 09:10 PM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
What kind of Style library does Casio have ?


4 variations, 4 fills, 2 intro and 2 endings..

Looks most alike the Technics style formats
Rumors about Casio using the Techics knowledge database have been all around for quite some time..
Even said the MZ2000 was developed by Technics.

In the end, i think the dataformat might be not compatible with the technics styles out there, but a very new own format..

The MZ-X will also have the option just like Korg, to convert midi files to Styles



Everything however hugely depends, if Casio or someone else can create a style conversion tool, so people can take their favorite user styles from their current arrangers to the MZ-X 500





The only thing that would make this MZ-X interesting for a lot of people is if they decide to make an 88 key Pro version of this instrument... and throw in their more advanced piano moddeling technollogy, more polyphony, add 16 voices of multitimbrallity, and the solo synth and step sequencer of the XW series..

This would make it an under $2000 competitor for arrangers, synth workstations and stage piano's all in one instrument


Might be the PX-5S replacement that geets announced at musik messe or later this year....


Edited by Bachus (02/05/16 09:16 PM)
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#416122 - 02/05/16 11:29 PM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Bachus]
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I would never critique a keyboard from a video of such poor quality.
Below is a different YouTube video link and its most likely recorded directly from line outs of the board or perhaps through a mixer, but definitely not from a phones recording of the sound emanating through some speaker.
Not a bad piano sound at all in my opinion.
Disappointed this person didn't post examples of styles etc. only the piano and vocal.
Let's wait for more of these higher quality recordings before passing judgement.
Enjoy


I'm looking forward to getting my own hands and ears on this board. I'm thinking it going to be a LOT of bang for the buck. Very surprised though that it is not a 76 key like the previous older WK 3000/3200 series etc.
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#416132 - 02/06/16 05:15 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus


Might be the PX-5S replacement that geets announced at musik messe or later this year....


Ummm, didn't know about that. I was just about to spring for a PX560 but now I have to wonder if any that might be upgraded as well. Is this fact or speculation?

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#416134 - 02/06/16 05:44 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: cgiles]
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http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/415840/CASIO_Mz_X500_recordings#Post415840

these were posted a while back...I still say although it looks good, it's highly edited demos....more really needs to be heard by real owners...secondly what kind of style library does Casio have ...
at this price you get what you pay for. wink just sayin'

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#416137 - 02/06/16 06:10 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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Those professional recordings where no one is actually playing the instrument are simply that ...a professional recording .and I am confident not one of you will get that piano sound out of the instrument when you play it in your daily playing . But listen , get your hands on one and judge for yourself . I know I have heard enough for it not to even begin to tempt me .

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#416138 - 02/06/16 06:13 AM Re: Casio MZ x500 Demo [Re: cgiles]
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Might be the PX-5S replacement that geets announced at musik messe or later this year....


Ummm, didn't know about that. I was just about to spring for a PX560 but now I have to wonder if any that might be upgraded as well. Is this fact or speculation?

chas


Speculation...

Based on some info on the casio forums.. The px-5s replacement will have the touchscreen display (thats all we know, when is speculation)


However, the Casio fanbase seems to really be in for an 88 key all around workstation..
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