Thoughts and Prayers from Windsor Canada goes out to our American neighbors.....Horrible, Horrible News.....
I feel so, so sad right now...

Horrible, horrible! !!!
What is going on with people??

What kind of subhuman . . . thing . . . slaughters disabled people and those who care for them at a Regional Center? Utterly sickening.

The world is a sick place... Seems our civilisation was at its height about two decades ago, and just like the roman empire once is falling into crumbles around us..

World gone mad. I am 86 years old and cant believe what this world has come to. We need to put God back in our lives. Lloyd

I doubt that, god can fix this, most of these issues ar religion related...

In my opinions God gave us humans everything we need to take care of this world along the lines he deems worthy... Praying to god for answers will not give any, because he allready gave us the means to solve all these problems ourselves...

We as humans need to take care of our problems and together make this world a better place..

I could of easly been there I play many of the county of San Bernadino christmas partys thank God I did not get that call.

Lloyd, out of respect for your age and your beliefs, I won't say what I REALLY think, however I WILL say that I don't think the world has really changed that much; we just have better news coverage. Perception (of the condition of society) depends a lot on WHO you are, WHERE you are, and how much it affects you personally. There have been atrocities much worse than the current ones committed since biblical times and before. Depending on whether you're the slave owner or the slave, there are many who might think that "the world has come to" a better place than it was before. It's all a matter of perspective. I say, let's "put GoOd back in our lives".

chas

Right on, Chas.

Well said Chas

The world has changed and I cant believe you cant see it. I wonder how old you guys are when you say it hasn't changed
that much. Yes, your entitled to say what you think is right,
Just saying. Lloyd

I suppose this breaks a cardinal never to discuss religion or politics but I'll write it anyway.

Lloyd, I share your opinion.

Everyone has a right to what they believe is right.

I know when I was of school age during the late 50s, 60s and early 70s God played a bigger role in the lives of Americans . Now we've removed school prayer and the word God has been removed and we have to be careful that we don't offend anyone .

May those who were killed during this latest round of violence RIP.

Yes, everyone does have a right to believe what they think is right. Problems arise when people think the other guy is wrong. I don't get why tolerance Is so hard to accept. I guess for some people it's impossible.

People say their opinion, and it doesn't matter that it has nothing to do with the subject. Sure, use all these shootings for your own agendas. What a hell prayers in schools and god in our lives have anything to do with any of these shootings???

It's your opinion that is has nothing to do with the subject. It may have to do with the degree to which basic values are conveyed. As I said in the other thread, religion CAN play a positive role in this respect, even if religion has often been abused. Why do you just say there is no connection to the shootings at all? Is it not allowed to discuss whether there is a connection? It's a mean reproach to say some users here "use" the shootings for their own agendas. Actually a totally inacceptable statement of yours. I don't think it's a fair way of discussing.

Well, what shotting has to do with praying in schools?? It would be nice if they teach about religions in schools and not just one religion. It doesn't matter which one.
And yes , most of these shootings do have to do a lot with religion. Either they are stupid muslims, or they are stupid christians. But we do portray them differently, don't we ??

And let's not mention guns. God forbid, it will makes us less Americans and less christians. And that is much more important than being normal and decent human being.

Sure, lets pray. Lets pretend we are doing something, when we are doing absolutely nothing. But at least we feel good about it. And that is all that matter...me me me me me me.....

Here in London churches and catholic schools grow like weed, also McDonald's.Maaybe they could make them as a chain of stores.One poisons your body, the other poisons you mind.Throw in Walmart in there and it's like Jesus already came back. Haleluya!!!! And we do need to launder money somehow. God approves it anyway. It's much more important than feeding children, or improving curriculum for our kids. Sunday schools is not enough.

We have a great Children Hospital here. But they need to raise the money through some radioton...etc..
Where are the churches than? Maybe if they pray enough kids will miraculously get better. Because god saves them and not those nurses or doctors. Who need them anyway.

Mira,

A person with a true abiding faith in God would be totally incapable of such atrocities. That.'s all I'm going to say. I'll leave it to you to find out why.

God Bless,
Don

Don, you are talking about faith and I am talking about religion. Totally two different things.
And where is the line? The whole world is going "Right" so much, there is no middle ground anymore.It doesn't matter if we meet in the middle, it's still too far "right".

You would think that being a good Christian or Jewish or being a good Muslim has anything to do with being a good human being. Maybe that was the original plan with religion, but I doubt.

Wow! This clearly belongs in 'THE BAR', where BS can flourish unchecked.....and it's safe to give a proper response. I think maybe we should just express our sorrow over this tragedy and leave religion the hell out of it. For a nation that has essentially commited genocide on it's native population, enslaved fellow humans, 'nuked' hundreds of thousands in a single instant, deliberately infected it's own (second class) citizens with venereal diseases as part of a medical experiment, terrorized and killed thousands of civilians with drones (I'm a supporter of Obama's social policies but NOT of his drone strikes - too many innocent victims), invaded a country without provocation (and leaving it in tatters), etc., etc., etc., how long are we going to keep saying "God's on our side"? He is? Really? Gosh, no wonder I'm an atheist ("not afraid to burn in hell" - Ron Reagan).

chas

Chas +100

Probably until everything goes up, as Tom Lehrer sang, "in an incandescant glow". Nice prospect, huh?

The sheer bloody stupidity of it is beyond belief. Chas, you're talking too much sense for an old guy.

I wonder how many of them are Muslim. I wonder how many of them are Christian although religion never gets mentioned when they're Christian. Isn't that odd?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Chas and Mirza are right. This has nothing to do with school prayer. Don't you think that if it were effective we'd all be praying?

Pew.
1) Stupid Christians or stupid Muslims, but in no case stupid Atheists?
2) The churches poison the mind? Maybe, some fundamentalist ones do, some do the contrary. Have you attended the ones you are talking about to be sure? Or is it generalization? (I'm no friend of the Catholic church). BTW, this terminology, "poison", "weed" ... I wouldn't use such terms to talk about atheists. Beware that violent language can be a predecessor of violent action.
3) "Pray = pretend to do something". People who do it that way haven't considered Jesus saying that what matters are your ACTIONS, not your words.

Mirza,
You are right about religion and faith. Religion involves all the man made trappings and rituals which have little to do with faith.

God Bless,
Don
P.S. Chas, did Ronald Reagan actually say he was not afraid to burn in hell?

Nope, it was not President Ronald Reagan, but instead, his atheist son made that statement.

Gary

Thanks Gary, I sincerely hope he's not there yet.

God Bless,
Don

Rosetree, it's like you are not even reading what I am trying to say. Sure , take words out of the contents. There are many stupid atheist in this world. And there is also many good and smart religious people. As Richard Dawkins says,"We are all atheists, it's just that some of us go one more god further".
If I told you that I believe and worship Zeus and I also teach my kids to do the same I would probably be considered as a crazy person who is "brainwashing " his children. Why would it be any different with Jesus, or Muhammed or Lord, Allah or Jehwah ?

But anyway who cares at the end.We have more innocent live lost again in the name of religion.
Yet we are still all talking bullshit and trying to justify all rediculousness of this world.

Well, I took groups of entire sentences, not words, out of your post. So you didn't mean these sentences the way you phrased them? The new churches in London, Ontario are not like weed and do not all poison people's mind? Sorry I didn't read all of what you said in your previous posts



But as everyone is talking bullshit as you say, I'll better ignore everyone's posts...

Yep, I'm cool with what I believe, even though it might not jive with conventional 'believers', i.e., in what are commonly referred to as 'organised' religions.

These sorts of topics just go round and round anyway, and I don't need to convince anyone else that my views are better than anyone else's - I don't profess that they are.

I just wish everyone would adopt that stance. I'm sure the world would be better off for it.

Rosetree,
Yes there are too many new churches and they do teach religion, and yes religion does poison minds of people. Sure why not.If it was too many new mosques I would say the same. Most of it is just money laundering, but I guess that is OK as long as it is for religious reasons. And the way people are brainwashed ( I know you love this word)and we will even have more unnecessary religious institutions. And also we will have more unnecessary killings in the Middle East in the name of Western gods and we will have more and more killings in the West..But I guess even that is OK because it is all for our belowed gods. Well guess what? We all lose at the end.

Curious as to why this thread isn't at 'the bar'?

Not that the thread is bothersome...it isn't for me anyway.

Just curious