Hi,Has anyone come across Musicangelman's
site, got some great styles trouble is cant seem to get them to work on my kn7000.

Hi, Found the site some time ago and also had problems trying to load into my KN7. I have an idea these styles may have been created on a KN2000(the idea has just come to me) and as such will require to be downloaded and unzipped onto a DD 3.5inch not a HD floppy. Will try latter and get back to you all.Regards JOHN.

Looking at the files in a Hex Editor, it would appear that they were recorded on a KN1500. As far as I am aware, the only way to play them on a KN7000 is to change the Hex identifiers in the files.

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Can you expand on that Bill

I recall downloading some of his songs several years ago and playing them with my KN5000. At that time, I had to do some sound editing to solve some voice incompatibility problems. I think they were originally done with a keyboard older than the KN2000, although he may well have changed keyboards since then.

If you download and play his MP3 of Harlem Nocturne you are in for seven minutes of pure pleasure. It is awesome. I have that song of his on a CD that I made with my KN5000 seven or eight years ago.

What Bill says is true. The Hex identifiers for the KN1500 are LKE (4c4b4500)and have to be changed to J KD (4A204B44). You have to change identifiers for two memories. One will be at the top of the file, and one at the bottom, I think it was the sound memory file. When you load the file into the KN7K it will tell you the file is for a different product, which it is, but don't let it fool you into thinking it can't be used. Go ahead and load the file into custom memory and you'll be able to work on it. The KN1500 was my first Technics keyboard and I later traded it in for a KN6K, which I still have. I let all the KN1500 disks go with the keyboard and since then I have been trying to find them, with some success, but while they were good styles, they don't hold up to the KN7K styles. I haven't found the site mentioned earlier, but I will try to Google it and download the styles for conversion when I have the time. Some of the styles on the net claim to be from a KN1500, but I know they're not, since I used just about every onboard style for recording on tape years ago. I do have some ready to Zip up if anyone is interested in listening to old styles on their KN7K. By the way, if you go to Gunnar Jonny's website, look for Alec's KN Corner and he explains everything you might want to know about the different Technics keyboards and their identifiers, and what can be played on what keyboard. Download and print this info out because it comes in handy from time to time.


[This message has been edited by Bud Whipple (edited 02-08-2007).]

I found musicangelman's website with no problem and downloaded 10/12 of the song styles to look at. They were KN1500 styles, so I used the A.X.E. Editor to change the CMP (composer) and the LSW (panel memory) files to KN7000 formats and loaded the B. Hawaii file into memory A. It didn't come up as a Hawaiian style, but rather an Easy 8 Beat, which played without a hitch. There were three styles in memory and they all played, so I guess with a change in instruments, you're good to go. It's a lot of work using a hex editor, but if you're hard up for styles, go for it.

easy 8 beat is the default initial 7k composer and just means the file did not load, that is because you can't load 1500 format files into the 7k just by changing their hex identifiers to 7k. I would try changing the identifier to 3k format and see what happens on load.

[This message has been edited by technicsplayer (edited 02-07-2007).]

I've already tried changing the 1500 identifier on this file to the 3K format, but that didn't work for me either. Is it something I did wrong, or is there more to it?

Len

Like Bob, several years ago I downloaded several files and played on my 6000. Still have them somewhere on the massive SD but after tweak and name change, where? Could they have been converted GA/EA organ which Bob and I were using at the time?

Fran in SC

I did not try to convert any styles. I did download a few songs and used them with my KN5000. I made a CD with the KN5000 that included Harlem Nocturne and Unforgettable, which in my opinion were his best work. But, it is entirely possible that the stuff on the web site now was later re-saved with a different keyboard.

something you did wrong. I just downloaded the first file blue hawaii, changed the composer to 3k identifier and it loaded correctly in the 7k. The pattern is actually foxtrot even though the file is called hawaii. It plays fine.

That's exactly what happened to me and it didn't dawn on me until later that the styles have to be upgraded in steps. Duh! I just finished converting a batch of KN1500 styles that must have already been upgraded to the KN3K format and that threw me off. I plead temporary insanity! But, I do have 40 styles in 2 zip files that people can have if they want. Most are rock styles, though.

[This message has been edited by Bud Whipple (edited 02-08-2007).]

yes it is surprisingly easier after someone else has explained how to do it first

Well will someone could explain to me

download and unzip the files, load each sub-file (composer, panel etc) into a hex editor and change the code LKE (4C 4B 45) to G K (47 00 4B). Then load each sub-file individually into the 7k and see which go in ok. If any don't strip those out of the sub-file collection because they may prevent a load and give a default initial setup. Then just edit to taste to get a reasonable sound.

This is all from memory since the last time I did exactly this must have been in the days of the 1500 way over 10 years ago collecting those presets not on the kn3000.

Thanks, Alec.
Unfortunately I had wiped my original floppy, so I'm not sure what I did wrong as I have done this sort of thing successfully many times before. I tried again following your instructions exactly and it worked fine.

Len

http://www.geocities.com/musicangelman/mp3frame.html try this

Well it all sounds to complicated to me.
Whats a hex editor etc.

a program that displays and can edit the binary code of any digital file either in hexadecimal (base 16) groups or ascii character groups. Google and you'll find many free ones.

DOOOOH!!!OF COURSE IT IS SILLY ME.

EMC styleworks software converts KN1500 style files in a trice to say KN5000 for onward use in KN7000.
Trice = very quickly
Rog
p.s. It's expensive software but worth every penny

yes.

Just to add to the confusion the following is copied from Musicangelman's web site...

'All songs are original compositions.
They were recorded with a
sx-KN920 Technics Keyboard
and a little freeware recording tool.'

Fortunately the KN920 and the KN1500 appear to be very closely related - if that's the right term...
Rog