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#407149 - 08/20/15 03:32 PM More New PSR-S970 Demos!
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#407154 - 08/21/15 03:45 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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The 3rd video clearly shows that both the player as well as Yamaha have no clue what modern dance music should sound... Just listen to some trance of Armin V Buren or Tiesto and then compare it to those styles...


This implementation of the feature is not what will sell these keyboards to new users..
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#407160 - 08/21/15 05:56 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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NIce video demos...Honestly I thought it sounded just like MY S950 pretty much..
at least the display is a bit bigger & very ledgable.
I'm still on the fence in regards to the audio styles.

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#407163 - 08/21/15 06:19 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
The 3rd video clearly shows that both the player as well as Yamaha have no clue what modern dance music should sound... Just listen to some trance of Armin V Buren or Tiesto and then compare it to those styles...


This implementation of the feature is not what will sell these keyboards to new users..





Bachus, I've heard both DJ's you've mentioned, and I agree that the PSR-S970's Dance styles and demonstrator fall short. However, I think that if someone wants to sound like those DJ's, then they should use the same equipment, and not an arranger keyboard.

In my case, I'd love to get an arranger, probably the S970, but those Dance styles don't interest me, so it doesn't matter.

I'm just glad they finally put some good choir sounds in there, and judging by online demos, it sounds very good. Now, for those of us who want a Tyros but can't (or don't want to) afford one, the PSR-S970 comes pretty close. smile
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#407164 - 08/21/15 06:26 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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Even a Tyros 5 doesn't sound like Avicii smile


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#407170 - 08/21/15 08:09 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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...another thing I like about Korg, I can remove all the "Dance" styles and replace them with styles I might use. smile
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#407177 - 08/21/15 09:41 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
Even a Tyros 5 doesn't sound like Avicii smile



Why can't a Tyros 5 sound like Avicii? Sync a midi file to a modified Tyros 5 Techno dance style variation and custom multipads. Play right hand synth/guitar parts freely and add manual bass parts through midi bass pedals to emphasize selected bass parts to add to the dance feel.

I would recommend good subs for dance type song selections. I use JBL EON 18" subs for larger venues.

Marcus

MP3 of basic midi file from Tyros 5

https://app.box.com/s/wagyk99aaxibecm7itkp4hz2in0zohjf
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#407178 - 08/21/15 09:44 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Marcus]
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I mean with styles not a sequencer. Dance styles of Yamaha sounds very weak. Your version isn't how real modern dance music sound but more how it sounded in the 90's



Edited by FransN (08/21/15 09:57 AM)

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#407183 - 08/21/15 12:01 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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If dance styles were the driving force behind purchasing an arranger keyboard, I would have never bought one. And, if the two examples above are prime examples of dance,I'm sure glad to be a country boy.

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#407184 - 08/21/15 12:20 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: travlin'easy]
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Gary ... I remember when my parents couldn't listen to our music too ...
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#407187 - 08/21/15 12:49 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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Originally Posted By: Mikem
Originally Posted By: Bachus
The 3rd video clearly shows that both the player as well as Yamaha have no clue what modern dance music should sound... Just listen to some trance of Armin V Buren or Tiesto and then compare it to those styles...


This implementation of the feature is not what will sell these keyboards to new users..





Bachus, I've heard both DJ's you've mentioned, and I agree that the PSR-S970's Dance styles and demonstrator fall short. However, I think that if someone wants to sound like those DJ's, then they should use the same equipment, and not an arranger keyboard.

In my case, I'd love to get an arranger, probably the S970, but those Dance styles don't interest me, so it doesn't matter.

I'm just glad they finally put some good choir sounds in there, and judging by online demos, it sounds very good. Now, for those of us who want a Tyros but can't (or don't want to) afford one, the PSR-S970 comes pretty close. smile



I disagree, when for example playing weddings one moment you want to sound like a mariachi band or a bigband, while later at the evening, you want to sound like a rockband or like that trance deejay...

Our musical terrain is as broad as our publicum..

Overhere, OMBs loose a lot of jobs to deejays, well if you can mimic their music on your arranger you might get the terrain back...
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#407192 - 08/21/15 01:32 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Bachus]
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You're right, Bachus. However, I was referring to my own disinterest in Dance styles, for the most part.
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#407198 - 08/21/15 02:17 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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Here's another demo, featuring a Dance Style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VVsGX9p8s
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#407202 - 08/21/15 04:35 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
I mean with styles not a sequencer. Dance styles of Yamaha sounds very weak. Your version isn't how real modern dance music sound but more how it sounded in the 90's



Yamaha dance styles are not weak. You can only put a small selection of dance styles in an arranger keyboard. The advantage of a TOTL arranger like the Tyros, you can modify or arrange your own dance styles, plus a large expansion capacity.

You can add your own expansion dance drum kits and effects sound samples to the styles or link to multipads or audio multipads. The Tyros 5 audio player/recorder also has vocal cancel, time stretch and pitch shift as well that leans well into the modern dance styles, midi, and mp3s.

With all these tools, high end voices, and DSP effects, Yamaha is no slouch for creating and performing modern dance music. The added live DJ effects from the PSR-S970 make the choices even greater.

I just recorded two example Tyros 5 modern dance styles with simple 4 chord progressions from recent songs, so hardly the 90s. The Tyros 5 gives us at least 50 dance styles plus an available 11 or so audio dance styles. I'm sure most of these T5 styles made their way into the S970, plus brand new ones.

If Yamaha modern dance styles are weak, what arranger or brand should I be looking for?

Marcus

BigRoom-T5 (MP3)
https://app.box.com/s/62eji41428z1x9mgh8zuxbaqet6r64j4

HardClub-T5 (MP3)
https://app.box.com/s/7dbxpb3mvrspkn4y9mlz2c66xpfkl25l
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#407209 - 08/21/15 08:19 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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You know, that's a funny thing, Tony. My dad was a tenor with the London Welsh Male Voice Choir and, much as he hoped I would follow in his footsteps, he never once tried to discourage my 'different' taste in music.

I used to buy all the old Elvis, Little Richard, Fats Domino records and, he could enjoy those even though they were a universe away from the music he was brought up on.

I think that, after all these years, the main reason that I'm open to all kinds of stuff now is a direct result of his own broadness in music.

Not too many kids lucked out with a dad like mine, I guess.

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#407210 - 08/21/15 08:21 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By: tony mads usa
Gary ... I remember when my parents couldn't listen to our music too ...
dance grin

You know, that's a funny thing, Tony. My dad was a tenor with the London Welsh Male Voice Choir and, much as he hoped I would follow in his footsteps, he never once tried to discourage my 'different' taste in music.

I used to buy all the old Elvis, Little Richard, Fats Domino records and, he could enjoy those even though they were a universe away from the music he was brought up on.

I think that, after all these years, the main reason that I'm open to all kinds of stuff now is a direct result of his own broadness in music.

Not too many kids lucked out with a dad like mine, I guess.

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#407212 - 08/21/15 09:36 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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Actually, my folks really enjoyed the 50s - 60s stuff I grew up with, and joined in with us at sock hops and other sch events. I think they more fun than I did.

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#407217 - 08/21/15 11:12 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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My parents were very supportive of my interest in music. If I listened to Elvis and Little Richard, they did too! When I was in college I had a chance to join a very successful (busy) band that needed a bass player. All I had was on old pos bass that I'd bought at a pawn shop for maybe 10 bucks. I called Mom and she went to Tulsa and bought me a Gibson bass and bass amp that same day. I realized much later that they really couldn't afford to buy it at that time, but they never let on.
They had done the same when I started playing trumpet--bought me a new Conn Constellation--top of the line at the time.
My mother was a trained classical pianist and could play any piece of music you put in front of her. Couldn't play happy birthday without the notes though. She would have traded all here training if she could have "played by ear". She played organ and piano for more than 70 years in church. Her favorite popular artist was Floyd Kramer.
She and my dad were proud of me, regardless of how often I screwed up. Can't figure why, I gave them more grief than I should have. I sure miss them.
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#407218 - 08/22/15 12:06 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
Even a Tyros 5 doesn't sound like Avicii smile



Here is the style for Avicii:
http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en/product/1218068/Wake+Up+Dance/?currency=USD
I think it is pretty good for an arranger...
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#407225 - 08/22/15 07:03 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Mikem]
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smile Hey Gary, DonM, it goes to show how a little encouragement goes a long way when you're a kid. To those of you who had no musical support as a youngster, kudos to you - you got there, anyway. Never underestimate the power of music.

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#407226 - 08/22/15 07:39 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Marcus]
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Originally Posted By: Marcus
If Yamaha modern dance styles are weak, what arranger or brand should I be looking for?


None. You need a computer with a sequencer and the best VST's there are.


Edited by FransN (08/22/15 07:42 AM)

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#407227 - 08/22/15 08:14 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: 124]
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Originally Posted By: tony mads usa
Gary ... I remember when my parents couldn't listen to our music too ...
dance grin

You know, that's a funny thing, Tony. My dad was a tenor with the London Welsh Male Voice Choir and, much as he hoped I would follow in his footsteps, he never once tried to discourage my 'different' taste in music.

I used to buy all the old Elvis, Little Richard, Fats Domino records and, he could enjoy those even though they were a universe away from the music he was brought up on.

I think that, after all these years, the main reason that I'm open to all kinds of stuff now is a direct result of his own broadness in music.

Not too many kids lucked out with a dad like mine, I guess.



Thats what i try with my kids, whenever we are on the road for longer stretches we create some CDs with half of their choice and half of my choce and play them in the car, discussing our music, its where i try to listen and understand their music, and where they try and listen to my music..

In the end, i learned to appreciate much of the moderne music, like rap, trance and dubbstep while they fearned to appreciate my rock, country, schlager, disco and even classical music..


Edited by Bachus (08/22/15 08:15 AM)
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#407233 - 08/22/15 08:57 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
Originally Posted By: Marcus
If Yamaha modern dance styles are weak, what arranger or brand should I be looking for?


None. You need a computer with a sequencer and the best VST's there are.


I agree, dance music ( modern ) is best served through VST technology. For the average arranger player that relies on their keyboard for voices and various style genres of music, however, the Yamaha product does a pretty good job covering the basic dance category.

If I really needed to prepare for the odd dance song, I could rely on some sampling and create audio multipads before hand. I am not prepare to drag computer gear with me. I agree that perhaps the dance category for most arrangers is the weakest, but comparing the Tyros 5 or the PSR-S970 to other brand arrangers, Yamaha does not have weak dance styles or lack the necessary onboard tools and functions to adequately produce a satisfactory dance song.

Yamaha styles are perhaps the most versatile and no shortage to find the style or style parts you need for your arrangements.

Yamaha's superior output converters, keep the sound alive and clear, even when a full blown busy dance style and other functions are processing at the same time, while some other brand arrangers audio output fades and can muffle the sound. ( A studio sound engineer pointed this out to me ).

Marcus
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#407236 - 08/22/15 10:34 AM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: Marcus]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
Originally Posted By: Marcus
If Yamaha modern dance styles are weak, what arranger or brand should I be looking for?


None. You need a computer with a sequencer and the best VST's there are.


I agree, dance music ( modern ) is best served through VST technology. For the average arranger player that relies on their keyboard for voices and various style genres of music, however, the Yamaha product does a pretty good job covering the basic dance category.

If I really needed to prepare for the odd dance song, I could rely on some sampling and create audio multipads before hand. I am not prepare to drag computer gear with me. I agree that perhaps the dance category for most arrangers is the weakest, but comparing the Tyros 5 or the PSR-S970 to other brand arrangers, Yamaha does not have weak dance styles or lack the necessary onboard tools and functions to adequately produce a satisfactory dance song.

Yamaha styles are perhaps the most versatile and no shortage to find the style or style parts you need for your arrangements.

Yamaha's superior output converters, keep the sound alive and clear, even when a full blown busy dance style and other functions are processing at the same time, while some other brand arrangers audio output fades and can muffle the sound. ( A studio sound engineer pointed this out to me ).

Marcus


Offcourse, if only for the reason that you can stack like 5 effects spperately on every sound, even on the individuall drumsounds..

Ableton live is just great for creating and playing dance music in a live situation...


But, then again, as an allround performer, and arranger player, you want to be able to play some of that trance or dubstep using your arranger, when playing weddings or such, as otherwise the deejays will eat your sandwich...
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#407251 - 08/22/15 01:20 PM Re: More New PSR-S970 Demos! [Re: 124]
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Originally Posted By: tony mads usa
Gary ... I remember when my parents couldn't listen to our music too ...
dance grin

You know, that's a funny thing, Tony. My dad was a tenor with the London Welsh Male Voice Choir and, much as he hoped I would follow in his footsteps, he never once tried to discourage my 'different' taste in music.
I used to buy all the old Elvis, Little Richard, Fats Domino records and, he could enjoy those even though they were a universe away from the music he was brought up on.
I think that, after all these years, the main reason that I'm open to all kinds of stuff now is a direct result of his own broadness in music.
Not too many kids lucked out with a dad like mine, I guess.


Actually, I mis-spoke about that and did an injustice to my parents in doing so ... My mom had an excellent voice and was singing for her senior club until two months before she passed at the age of 93 ... Any place she and my father went that had a live band - and ALL the clubs had them back then - my father would somehow get the band to ask her up to sing ... I remember in the early 50's Lou Monte http://www.loumonte.com/ would appear at this night club in Staten Island NY - The Miami Club - and whenever my parents went to see him, he would get my mother up to sing ... my sisters also sang well and with our mom we would sing 3 part back up and a lead singer or 4 part harmony to all the top 40 tunes of the mid - to late 50's _ The Platters, The Teenagers, Little Anthony and the Imperials - everybody ... and of course I did all the Elvis tunes ... I absolutely got my interest in music and the music gene from my mom ... and my dad was a great listener ...
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