Hi all,

See here what I mean. Michael Bedesem & Yamaha provide the tools to change modified styles from any older or other fabricate & model arranger into the most modern, high tech Yamaha styles. And it is SO easy!

Now, if Ketron would also do THAT...

For me it's mostly about available styles & I get bored very quickly. No manufacturer beats Yamaha in this regard!

Henni

Hi,

Just listen to this before & after demo. Other manufacturers can learn a lot from Yamaha in this regard.

Henni

Hi all,

Here's another example.

Henni

Hi all,

More examples.

Henni

Hi all,

More examples.

Henni

They all sound great, Henni.

Gary

Great stuff Henni, i am going to grab them for my T5..

its fun to see that where everyong currently swings to the right (ketron) you swing back to the left (yamaha)


If you get the chance, try out a T5, it offers so much more then the PSR S950 when it comes to right hand sounds (organ world, SA2, ensemble) that you will never ever look back to any other arranger on the market today. And many of those SD7 styles eventually will be converted to Yamaha styles too..

Hi,

Nothing beats the Audya sound wise. But then nothing beats Yamaha styles wise. And for me the interest lies in the styles. Also, I like to modify styles & have done my share for both the Audya & Yamahas, so I think I should know.

I would love a T5, but in South Africa they cost exactly five times what I paid new for my S950. Even the Audya could be had over here for close to half that price.

Cheers all,

Henni

Hi again,

Some more demos demonstrating the point I'm trying to make.

Cheers all,

Henni

Henni,

Spent the afternoon auditioning Korg styles converted to Yamaha, Thanks for posting the styles on the other site. Most work very well. Although I'm disappointed to see many of my favourite unplugged sounds have glitches that make them unusable. Some trouble with percussion as brushes come across as heavy snare shots which is very annoying. I have no experience editing and cannot find a simple way to switch to the brush kit and save the style. I have rented the PA 800 and 600 so I am fairly familiar with their styles. My instrument is the PSR S750.

God Bless,
Don

Hi Don,

Simply select any variation of the style. Now change to the drum or percussion kit you want. Now press function & select style edit mode. Use the tab buttons top right to tab to the next page to the right. press save & save style to where you want. Now it has your new drum kits.

Another easier way, just change the drums as how you want & save to a registration. This is by far the easiest way.

Hope this helps my friend,

Henni

R100000 for a tyros 5 is insane but yamaha head office in wood mead tell me people still buy it

Yeah,

When I last enquired they were R125 000. So the price came down a bit. Paid R25 000 for my S950.

Henni

Lowest I was quotes was R 18500 for s950 but that was over a year ago from Orange music in pretoria. I should have taken it

Wow!

That was a VERY good price. I bought mine last year. It was listed just under R28 000, but they discounted it for me to R25 000. Next time I'll go to your favorite music store in Pretoria indeed.

I'm sure they'll be offer the S970 to you for not much more than that. I think you should seriously consider that option instead.

Cheers,

Henni

When u ready to buy the s970 next year I'll help u find the best deal. Lol and ill buy your s950

...the converted styles will lack the audio drums and the real voices (those with a "v").

Hi AJ,

I would not even try to convert Ketron Audya or SD7 styles. I do not believe for a moment that any other arranger would be able to play Ketron styles like a Ketron arranger does.

What Yamaha does is add mega voice technology to all those voices that could like i.e. guitars, flutes, brass, violin, strings. This GREATLY improves any older type of styles, even from the older Ketron SD1 styles. This is what I'm trying to demonstrate in the demos.

So if any 3rd party style converter could convert i.e. Korg or Roland styles properly to Yamaha format, then Yamaha's Mega Enhances can update many voices to their latest Mega voice technology - I mean not just change the voice, but add slides, nuiances and many other things to it. This really make some older styles come alive.

However, nothing beats the Audya when it comes to realism. But like I aid, nothing beats Yamaha when it boils down to styles & the sheer variety of them.

Cheers,

Henni

Henni,
You are right on point here. I have played Yamaha keyboards for the last 10 years and have never went wanting for a style for a song. I now own a Ketron SD7 and truly love it. Like you, I wish there was a style converter that would allow styles from other keyboards to be converted. Can't beat the sound though!
Deane

Henni,
Thanks for the link to your converted PA800 styles. I tried them on a Tyros 5. Most of the styles converted quite well. I great starting point to further rework them to the Tyros 5 standard.

Not all the Mega voices will work correctly with the odd glitch, but sometimes a different Mega voice will work better or change to a comparable SA style voice that might interpret the Korg velocity levels, slides and other programmed nuances better.

On the Tyros 5, I would first make the voice chances to the various style midi channels and volume levels you want, then open the style in Style Creator for final editing. I would then permanently save the converted style from the Style Creator mode.

The issue with changing to a Brush Kit or whatever one you want can also be made in Style Creator. The Tyros 5 has a nice Real Brush Kit that is closest to audio drums. Maybe some older programmed styles can play more accurately using drum kits from the Legacy folder or even older XG and GS kits.

Any style can be converted on the Tyros 5 with the drum channels converted to any suitable 75 or so available Yamaha Audio Styles. While in Style Creator load the suitable Audio style and assemble the non audio midi style parts in the assembly tab. Make all your edits and changes and save to the User Drive.

Only issue is, audio style saves can only be saved to the User Drive and once saved cannot be copied. I have roughly 75 audio hybrid saves, but can hold roughly a hundred audio styles.

Beyond converting to an audio style, you can take it a step further and add some nice Tyros 5 vocal and choir midi track parts to the style. In Assembly, you can change up any style or borrow any style part you want. I agree there is more flexibility with the Yamaha styles.

Marcus

Hi Marcus,

Tx for your detailed explanation. Like you, I like to modify styles. But I'm no perfectionist. If it does not come out nicely, I simply move on to the next style.

Onacimus over at PSRTutorial, he's a perfectionist. If he converts something, you can bet it's perfect. But as you say, my mods make for a good foundation for further tweaking.

My only gripe: Michael's Stylemaker & Yamaha's Mega Enhancer is not written to allow batch conversions, so it is very time consuming with many, many clicks for each style to be converted. Oh yes, & then I have to use Jorgen's SFC converter to 1st convert back to SFC1 format as even Yamaha's own converter cannot handle SFC2 formats correctly.

Keep well my friend,

Henni

Hi again,

Not that my opinion counts for much, but here goes anyway:

I just listened to the SD7 demo's. I think I understand a little better why the Yamaha interests me again.
1. Their styles are more of an American version of music.
2. The Mega voices, especially the guitars, are awesome.
3. Unlike Fran, I like busy styles. Yamaha styles are busy.
4. I always use intros & endings as fills. Yamaha is good here.
5. I think I have close to 200 000 Yamaha styles.
6. You can eventually make all new models styles work in older models.
7. There are so much free excellent style mod software to be had.
8. The styles are not non copyable like i.e. Ketron styles.

The SD7 voices are great & authentic, but the styles not Western enough for my personal liking. Yes, I think they excell if one plays that kind of music.

If I can once again afford to, I'll upgrade to an Tyros 5.

I will shortly post some demos illustrating what I mean in all the above.

Cheers,

Henni

Hi again,

This is why I'm into my Yamaha again.

Henni

Hi again,

This is why I'm into my Yamaha again.

Henni

Henni, do you really need 200 000 styles? ?It seems like it's more about collecting styles than actually using the keyboard for making or playing music.

No,

I don't need them But that is my interest in arrangers - styles. And I have demonstrated my interest in this by the over 60 000 I've uploaded for Ketron, and the many, many I've modified & uploaded over at Yamaha.

Yes, we do make music. I've uploaded many of our music over here before. I've modifed many onboard Audya styles also, but those could not be shared as with the other brands. Pity though as it kills much interest in the type...

Cheers,

Henni

I didn't mean anything bad by it. Yamaha does have the biggest base of styles to work with which is a big plus.And if they start giving uz better drum kits instead of handful audio styles where would the end be.....heheh

Yeah,

I know. We are all different. Some of us are DJs, some make music for the movies, some play in rock bands, many play for old age homes. I modify styles. That's how it is...

Cheers,

Henni

I have about 55,000 styles that I constantly search through to use for a specific song. This collection has taken more than a decade to compile, but one thing is certain, I'm never at a loss to find that perfect style for a specific song. As for the drums, that never bothered me, and yes, I played with a live band for many years. Yamaha's drums are just fine for me, and for the most part, every audience I've ever performed for.

All the best,

Gary

Style selection for Yamaha is huge, plus converted styles from other brands to up convert. Particularly getting nicer style guitar and choir tracks in the Tyros 5 preset styles and in the lastest Tyros 5 Premium Styles from YamahaMusicSoft. The guitar parts are really good with newer Tyros 5 guitar voices and DSP effects.

Sometimes buy ( during 20% off sale ) some specific Tyros 5 Premium styles just for certain style tracks that are sounding so real and authentic and create hybrid styles, borrowing parts to and from. Style programming is getting so complex, yet realistic and worth the cost of buying the newest versions and latest songs.

Reworking newer style tracks into some of your previous favourite styles brings a nice freshness and upgrade to your styles and takes advantage of the keyboard's newest voices and DSPs. I constantly rework styles and work on tweaking drum kits in the ongoing creative process.

On my Tyros 4, the Real Drums Kit were really nice and was carried over to the Tyros 5 with a new Real Brushes kit. Drums were never an issue, but limited editing on the Tyros 5 itself. The Tyros 4 had a generous 20 expansion slots dedicated for custom drum kits and easily transferred to my Tyros 5 with a new YEM system and User/expansion folder for several more expansion drum kits, limited only by the size of the flash memory installed.

Every day I'm on my Tyros doing something, but never bored.

Marcus

Hi Marcus,

You are my type of guy. I still remember when you created those excellent style conversions for Korg.

All the best my friend,

Henni

Hi all,

Another demo of some styles I have on my S950.

Cheers all,

Henni

Henni, for me to understand, what is the purpose of the demos you posted? The sounds/styles are well known and whoever prefer Yamaha knows them very well. Don't want to sound bad, but I just don't understand.

Hi all,

Here is my last upload contribution to this thread. These are Tyros 5 audio styles reversed engineered (I wish I could take the credit, but I cannot) for the S950.

I am busy copying appropriate drums from similar styles into it which makes them usable styles.

This is what I mean that Yamaha newer model styles could be modified to play to some extend on the older models. Off course it won't sound just the same, but it keeps older models more current & also interesting.

Off course these demos are familiar to Yamaha owners. However, this thread is not directed towards them. I am passionate about the things I find & do & this thread highlights my findings in this regard. And it shows what the older S950 is still capable of doing.

Not too long ago I did something similar for the Audya. You did not complain then. This is just what I do.

Cheers all,

Henni

NO complain at all - do what you're doing, by all means.