https://app.box.com/s/oi0e103jqnkq2ra9itbwicp7mptk3no2


regards,
John

No idea but nice playing. If I had to guess I'd say Kentron.

KORG pa800

Drums too good to be Yamaha. Probably Korg. KMA? Or Ketron with midi drums.

DEEBACH.

Ian

keep it up folks, I'll divulge the mystery tomorrow night !!!

regards
John

would have been harder years ago when we had so many more arrangers on the market......

Ian's on the right track, I think. Is it that Fame 2000, the low end Deebach?

a bit of a depracating remark if I may say so

regards
John

I'd say it's a Deebach nevertheless...not sure of the model. I'm guessing, more than being sure by listening, as this product was under discussion not that long ago and was posted by John.

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthread...rman#Post401917

Ian

Oops, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. Just thought that the Fame 2000 was regarded as a low end Deebach, going by the recent thread on it. Probably got the wrong end of the stick, again .

Somehow the trumpet sounds exactly like the swing trumpet of the Ketron SD 1000. Drums and sax sound good, too, so it could be Ketron.

Sounds Cheap , Casio / Deebach / Fame 2000 /Medeli .
Better buy a Yamaha PSR 670 .

Impuls

The arrangement of the rhythm sounds cheap, the sounds do not sound cheap. What if it is the first Ketron SD 7 delivered?

Most of you are not far from the truth but as you know the truth is rarely black and white, nor simple.
I have uploaded the same improvisation in WAV.file as some of the comments are beyond my comprehension.
link:
https://app.box.com/s/ikljpv3gghjploozwvhes8m6gxw7mzfp

As promised I will reveal all tonight.

regards,
John

P.S. the remark of my fellow countryman Impulse is a reaction that I would find typical for those playing a lower end Yamaha keyboard, no offence intended.....

The Fame 2000 is a medelli .... Only difference, the name printed on it..

The same hardware is used by Deebach, but with high quallity samples and effects..



Its allways hard to guess these instruments, as most current instruments sound really well..

I think i recognise a Yamaha style, but its not played on a Yamaha keyboard.. So i would go with a ketron for yhe sound, as there is noarticulations in the trumpet, yet it still sounds very good..


My best bet is Varranger2 with an SD1000 attached...

Or a Yamaha file transfered to an SD5

After listening to the Wav. file, the horns/brass at the beginning sound relatively bland...no Super-articulation or DNC that I can hear, so I don't think it's a mid/high Yamaha (S750/950/Tyros) or Korg (PA-900/3x).

It sounds no better than a mid-range instrument (or even entry level) to my ears, irrespective of the manufacturer, although, as Bachus says above, most current instruments (regardless of level) sound pretty darn good.

Ian

They don't sound good at the beginning because it is a soft solo trumpet played like a brass section and in a range a bit too low for the typical trumpet range. I stick to my guess that it is a Ketron "Swing Trumpet", as it sounds like in my SD 1000 version of Swingin' Safari.

The lack of any inflections (SA or DNC) on the trumpet and/or Brass, might eliminate any mid to high end Korg or Yamaha, so it is either a Ketron (an instrument I have yet to play or hear "live") or a Yamaha/Korg that predates SA/DNC.

Or, the previously mentioned DEEBACH.

It sounds pretty good...just not high end, at least to my ears.

Ian

So here it goes:
What you hear is basically a combination of Korg ( PA800) and Ketron ( X1) and a whiff of Ketron (SD2 module):

ARRANGER SECTION:
Drums and Bass: Ketron X1 ( 1999 made !!)
acc. Tracks : Korg PA800

RIGHT HAND IMPROVISATION:

First : Soft Trumpet ( SD2) over a stringpad (PA800)
Second: Trumpet+strings : Ketron X1

I selected two Bigband styles on both the ketron and the korg and synchronised via clock PA800.

The SD2 trumpet was also triggered via the Korg keyboard. It is not the kind of thing one would want to do on stage but once you have the patience and knowhow it may yield some amazing results. I still think that the Ketron drums ( and these go back to 1999 !!!) are absolute terrific and personally I have no great longing for audio drums. Obviously the Korg samples ( see acc. Tracks) are generally better than the Ketrons, but imho to compare the result with a cheap Casio or medelli is way off. Sure, better things are available these days, and at a price, but I am still quite satifisfied with the overall performance of the KORG PA800. And as to Ketron, I am looking forward to Don and Deane’s experiences with the SD7. Alas, here in Holland the SD7 is priced way over the top (2900 euro streetprice) and then service and reliability do remain an issue with Ketron, particularly with new products. That having said and in all honesty I must admit that if I had the means I would probably get one myself !
Thanks to all of you for your comments

Regards
John

Ha, I'm proud of having nailed the Ketron trumpet

I had it pretty much right.

You were both pretty close which should not be surprising knowing your experiences Don with several Korgs and the fact tht Rosetree owns (among others) the Ketron SD1000 module.
It was just a spur of the moment thing to finally combine my two keyboards via MIDI and use only one clock. I could have taken more daring styles or played a real song instead of just extemporizing with five chords but that was not my goal. At the risk of invoking the wrath of Ian, Donny, and others I would maintain that the Ketron drums, even those on the 1999 Ketron X1 model exceed the drum sounds on virtually all Yamaha models with the possible exception of the audio drums with which I am not familiar.
I recall owing a Solton MS50 (= ketron) in 1996 and that already in those days their drum department was way ahead of the competition. They also had outstanding samples for musette, breath sax and a few more, while lagging substantially in other sections, noticably piano and guitar.
As such I am looking forward as mentioned to the experiences of those acquiring the Ketron SD7.

regards,
John

The audio drums on the S950 and T5 or of course very good. They are, however, pretty specialized for the particular song or genre for which they were created. I really liked the jazz and swing audio drum styles. Problem is they make the Yamaha midi drums pale in comparison. It's probably just me but without a LOT of tweaking Yamaha drums just don't sound live enough.
Captain Russ, who can afford to buy any arranger every made, or all of them for that matter, still uses Solton (Ketron) MS 60's. He primarily only used bass and drums from his arrangers. They have always had the drums right, in my opinion. I remember they blew me away on the old X1 even.
I have no problem with drums on Korg or Roland. Yamaha and Casio need work. They should sound good out of the box!
I'm going to catch hell for mentioning Yamaha and Casio in the same sentence aren't I?