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#39508 - 04/14/02 02:38 AM Re: styles dilema
technicsplayer Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
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an interesting point.
but copyright protects expression, which probably means putting a sequence of notes together to produce something musical that everyone else recognises as a tune.

you could argue that the best performers are selected for sample sessions because their playing expression is superior to more average players.

I have not heard of Akai or Korg taking someone to court over stealing of samples, but I think you would have to re-sell the samples as your own to break the law?

Has there not been a precedent set over the legality of sampling musical phrases from other recordings and stringing them together to a new beat?

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#39509 - 04/14/02 10:13 AM Re: styles dilema
Lindoz Offline
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Registered: 12/16/99
Posts: 126
Loc: Torshalla, Sweden
Hi
Could it be so that Yamaha has some problems with their styles, because they are copys from some other brands on the market. Or maybe the agreement between the writers and Yamaha has failed in some way. The style makers maybe want more money if the old styles is copyied to the new keyboards. And more, why just ask Yamaha what´s the problem is. Yamaha is maybe more in touch with the keyboard owners than Technics?
Lindoz
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#39510 - 04/14/02 10:17 AM Re: styles dilema
Walter McLaren Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 320
Loc: Borders. Scotland
Rather worried.
If I whistle a tune going down the street, could I be "done"for copyright???

Walter.
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#39511 - 04/14/02 01:34 PM Re: styles dilema
Gunnar Jonny Online   content
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Registered: 04/01/01
Posts: 4333
Loc: Norway
Quote:
Originally posted by Walter McLaren:
Rather worried.
If I whistle a tune going down the street, could I be "done"for copyright???

Walter.



I don't dare to think of any melody when I'm outdoor, and sure not whistle it, not even
indoor without my windows closed.
Just take a look at my midipage and see what
happened.
GJ
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GJ
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but by how many you brought with you." (Wil Rose)

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#39512 - 04/14/02 03:26 PM Re: styles dilema
Lindoz Offline
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Registered: 12/16/99
Posts: 126
Loc: Torshalla, Sweden
Walter!
I´ve heard that the union will introduce a whistling meter on people in Scotland. There are too much noice on the streets I´ve heard....
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#39513 - 04/14/02 03:29 PM Re: styles dilema
Walter McLaren Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 320
Loc: Borders. Scotland
Great one Gunnar,
although on reflection, I would be safe. My whistling is like my playing, no one recognises the tune!!!

Walter.
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It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing!!!

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#39514 - 04/14/02 03:31 PM Re: styles dilema
Walter McLaren Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 320
Loc: Borders. Scotland
Quote:
Originally posted by Lindoz:
Walter!
I´ve heard that the union will introduce a whistling meter on people in Scotland. There are too much noice on the streets I´ve heard....


Lindoz, it's not noise, it is me whistling!!!
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It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing!!!

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#39515 - 04/14/02 03:32 PM Re: styles dilema
Gunnar Jonny Online   content
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Registered: 04/01/01
Posts: 4333
Loc: Norway
You're all lucky who never heard me singing
GJ
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Cheers 🥂
GJ
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but by how many you brought with you." (Wil Rose)

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#39516 - 04/15/02 05:22 AM Re: styles dilema
waterschip Offline
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Registered: 03/15/02
Posts: 118
Loc: Amsterdam, the Netherlands
Hi,

In replay of all this I can tell you how it is in Holland. As an example Bud's Elvis exampl.

If I want to cover/record a song of Elvis I need to have permission of the owner of the rights of the song/melody.
Even if I want to use different lyrics and only need the melody. If he thinks it's ok and proberly pay a lot of royalties i can record this disc. Those who copy or play (as a DJ or a store )that disc have to pay royalties to my.

That's way everybody whose producing music to gain a bonefit the one or the otherway,
by a gigging musician, as a DJ, or the shopowner who wants some atmosphere in his shop, even the Radio and TV channels etc. have to pay a fee. Like in Sweden I have read in the mesagge of Lindoz in Holland too is a institute which collect that money.

So if I made a legal style from a known Elvis song the copyright for the style is mine and i had permission for doing that by paying royalties to the owner/publisher of the original score.
Or if I do some bar's and a small change than the original owner don't get any fee from me, because it is created from scrath by myself. But the copyright for the style is still mine and everybody who using it for making mony with it have to pay rayolties.


rgds.
Wim

[This message has been edited by waterschip (edited 04-15-2002).]

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#39517 - 04/19/02 11:43 AM Re: styles dilema
Crysyl Offline
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Registered: 03/29/02
Posts: 16
Loc: Hoexter, NRW, Germany
Hello all together,

everything on this earth has a copyright, and so my styles, too. You can do what you want with my styles, but only for your own!!! If you change a style and play it on a gig it's OK. But if you change a style and sell it, it's not OK! I want, that my styles are free for everyone!

Best regards and many greetings to Gunnar
(sorry about my bad English!)

Crysyl
(Webmaster and programmer of the styles from CA-Software)

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