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#390970 - 07/22/14 09:25 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: Henni]
cgiles Offline
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Originally Posted By: Henni
Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
...but those scriptures were written by MAN - not a higher being...


Is that a FACT Gary? Maybe you should read this & enlighten yourself in the process.


Uh, wasn't that reference also written by MAN (or did I miss something)?

chas
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#390971 - 07/22/14 09:28 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: cgiles]
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There is no valid reason to believe any of the dogmas* of traditional apologetics and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.

Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny.

The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.

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*A religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof.
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#390972 - 07/22/14 09:29 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: Henni]
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Bad music and bad grammar. Those are my primary gripes against many involved in religion. Before we get into the belief area, most would be better off realizing that God doesn't have to teach you to write or play.

It takes work, and any other approach is just using an excuse.


Russ

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#390973 - 07/22/14 09:32 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: Henni]
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The earth free-floats in space (Job 26:7), affected only by gravity. While other sources declared the earth sat on the back of an elephant or turtle, or was held up by Atlas, the Bible alone states what we now know to be true – “He hangs the earth on nothing.”

Visit:
Modern Science In An Ancient (ICR)

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Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.

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All About Atoms (Jefferson Lab)

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The Bible specifies the perfect dimensions for a stable water vessel (Genesis 6:15). Ship builders today are well aware that the ideal dimension for ship stability is a length six times that of the width. Keep in mind, God told Noah the ideal dimensions for the ark 4,500 years ago.

Visit:
The Ark’s perfect dimensions (Answers In Genesis)
Safety investigation of Noah’s Ark in a seaway (Answers In Genesis)
Noah’s Flood and the Gilgamesh Epic (Answers In Genesis)

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When dealing with disease, clothes and body should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13). For centuries people naively washed in standing water. Today we recognize the need to wash away germs with fresh water.

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-Why do I need to wash my hands?

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Sanitation industry birthed (Deuteronomy 23:12-13). Some 3,500 years ago God commanded His people to have a place outside the camp where they could relieve themselves. They were to each carry a shovel so that they could dig a hole (latrine) and cover their waste. Up until World War I, more soldiers died from disease than war because they did not isolate human waste.

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The First Book Of Public Hygiene (Answers In Genesis)
Modern medicine? (Answers In Genesis)
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#390974 - 07/22/14 09:35 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: captain Russ]
Henni Offline
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Originally Posted By: captain Russ
...Bad music and bad grammar. Those are my primary gripes against many involved in religion.


Right mate. I have to communicate to you in your native tongue. So hoekom praat jy dan nie so 'n bietjie Afrikaans met my nie, dan sien ons hoe vaar jy.

En dan praat die man nog van slegte musiek ook nog boonop... O vet!!! Die arrogansie darem van sommige!

Henni
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#390975 - 07/22/14 09:38 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: Henni]
Henni Offline
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Loc: South Africa
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Oceans contain springs (Job 38:16). The ocean is very deep. Almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the pressure there is enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the "springs of the sea." Until recently, it was thought that oceans were fed only by rivers and rain. Yet in the 1970s, with the help of deep diving research submarines that were constructed to withstand 6,000 pounds-per-square-inch pressure, oceanographers discovered springs on the ocean floors!

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Springs of the Ocean (ICR)


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There are mountains on the bottom of the ocean floor (Jonah 2:5-6). Only in the last century have we discovered that there are towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the sea.

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Numerical Simulations Of Precipitation Induced By Hot Mid-Ocean Ridges (ICR)

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Joy and gladness understood (Acts 14:17). Evolution cannot explain emotions. Matter and energy do not feel. Scripture explains that God places gladness in our hearts (Psalm 4:7), and ultimate joy is found only in our Creator’s presence – “in Your presence is fullness of joy” (Psalm 16:11).

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Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11; 14). Up until 120 years ago, sick people were “bled” and many died as a result (e.g. George Washington). Today we know that healthy blood is necessary to bring life-giving nutrients to every cell in the body. God declared that “the life of the flesh is in the blood” long before science understood its function.

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Life in the Blood (ICR)

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The Bible states that God created life according to kinds (Genesis 1:24). The fact that God distinguishes kinds, agrees with what scientists observe – namely that there are horizontal genetic boundaries beyond which life cannot vary. Life produces after its own kind. Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, roses produce roses. Never have we witnessed one kind changing into another kind as evolution supposes. There are truly natural limits to biological change.

Visit:
Things You May Not Know About Evolution (ICR)
Creation - Evolution (ICR)
Evolution and the Bible (ICR)
The Fossil Record: Intermediate Links (ChristianAnswers.net)
Archaeopteryx A Feathered Reptile? (ChristianAnswers.net)
The Ape-Man: Missing Link (ChristianAnswers.net)
Biological Evolution Darwin's Finches (ChristianAnswers.net)
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#390976 - 07/22/14 09:39 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: cgiles]
Henni Offline
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Loc: South Africa
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Noble behavior understood (John 15:13; Romans 5:7-8). The Bible and history reveal that countless people have endangered or even sacrificed their lives for another. This reality is completely at odds with Darwin’s theory of the survival of the fittest.

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Chicken or egg dilemma solved (Genesis 1:20-22). Which came first, the chicken or the egg? This question has plagued philosophers for centuries. The Bible states that God created birds with the ability to reproduce after their kind. Therefore the chicken was created first with the ability to make eggs! Yet, evolution has no solution for this dilemma.

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What Came First, the Chicken or the Egg? (ICR)
The Egg/Chicken Conundrum (ICR)

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Which came first, proteins or DNA (Revelation 4:11)? For evolutionists, the chicken or egg dilemma goes even deeper. Chickens consist of proteins. The code for each protein is contained in the DNA/RNA system. However, proteins are required in order to manufacture DNA. So which came first: proteins or DNA? The ONLY explanation is that they were created together.

Visit:
Things that are Made (ICR)
Evolution Hopes You Don't Know Chemistry: The Problem with Chirality (ICR)
Origin of Life: Critique of Early Stage Chemical Evolution Theories (ICR)
The Origin of Life: Theories on the Origin of Biological Order (ICR)

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Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7; 3:19). Scientists have discovered that the human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements – all of which are found in the earth.

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The elements of the periodic table sorted by their presence in human body. (Lenntech)
The Bible is a Textbook of Science (ICR)

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The First Law of Thermodynamics established (Genesis 2:1-2). The First Law states that the total quantity of energy and matter in the universe is a constant. One form of energy or matter may be converted into another, but the total quantity always remains the same. Therefore the creation is finished, exactly as God said way back in Genesis.

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Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures (Institute For Creation Research)
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#390977 - 07/22/14 09:39 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: cgiles]
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I am amazed -not negatively or positively,just amazed - at some of the responses here ...
We are ALL believers ... some choose to believe there is a God, others choose to believe there is not ... I choose to believe there is - otherwise, did all this happen by 'luck' or accident? ... but I also have NO IDEA what God's plan is but I expect to find out someday - just not today, hopefully ... I will not impose my beliefs on others, their life is theirs to live ... I will try to be good to my fellow man, and not cause harm or ill will to anyone ...
Life is VERY short and then we find out the truth ... until then, I choose to have FAITH and believe ...
I will pray for ALL people ...
Live your life as YOU want ... we will all find out soon enough ... if I am right in my beliefs, great ... if I am not, no harm done ...
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#390979 - 07/22/14 09:40 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: cgiles]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 3456
Loc: South Africa
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The first three verses of Genesis accurately express all known aspects of the creation (Genesis 1:1-3). Science expresses the universe in terms of: time, space, matter, and energy. In Genesis chapter one we read: “In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)…Then God said, “Let there be light (energy).” No other creation account agrees with the observable evidence.

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The universe had a beginning (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 1:10-12). Starting with the studies of Albert Einstein in the early 1900s and continuing today, science has confirmed the biblical view that the universe had a beginning. When the Bible was written most people believed the universe was eternal. Science has proven them wrong, but the Bible correct.

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Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures (Institute For Creation Research)

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The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). At a time when many thought the earth was flat, the Bible told us that the earth is spherical.

Visit:
Does the Bible Teach a Spherical Earth
Did Bible writers believe the earth was flat? (CristianAnswers.net)

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Scripture assumes a revolving (spherical) earth (Luke 17:34-36). Jesus said that at His return some would be asleep at night while others would be working at day time activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night occurring simultaneously.

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Origin of the rainbow explained (Genesis 9:13-16). Prior to the Flood there was a different environment on the earth (Genesis 2:5-6). After the Flood, God set His rainbow “in the cloud” as a sign that He would never again judge the earth by water. Meteorologists now understand that a rainbow is formed when the sun shines through water droplets – which act as a prism – separating white light into its color spectrum.

Visit:
What causes a rainbow? (CristianAnswers.net)
The Rainbow And The Cloud (ICR)
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#390981 - 07/22/14 09:44 AM Re: Higher Power - i.e. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, et al [Re: cgiles]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 3456
Loc: South Africa
That's enough for today. I'll post some more later. For those who are sincerely interested, just follow the link supplied.

The Bible is the ONLY book giving foreknowledge & even insight into science. No other group can offer a book that could even come close.

Don't tell me all believe systems are equal...

Henni
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