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#381606 - 01/16/14 06:08 PM Re: G70 still sounds great 18 years after release...! [Re: ianmcnll]
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Originally Posted By: ianmcnll
Originally Posted By: Fran Carango
Every keyboard I have owned that weighed under 25 pounds...just moves..either on an Apex or X stand..My V-stand holds the best..
With my experience..maybe that is why I want the heavier G70 on stage..


Fran, what happened to the BK-9 you were considering?

If you returned it, what was the reason? Certainly not because it was too light?

Ian





Ian, I never return..only resell.. smile
But...I did not buy a BK9...yet....Maybe I will call Bill Lewis and try his BK9..

I know I would like it for the most part..as I liked the BK5 for media playback, sounds, and styles..add the Chord seq and full 16 track sequencer..and audio keys...I could like it a lot..

The get around operation is another story....It just isn't up to my standards.. frown

There is also a remaining problem the way it handles system exclusive, that I don't like...the G70 handles it well..Just dismissing by stating XG files don't work is boloney...The G70 does it fine...They made short cuts that don't fly with me..
Without that touch screen...I am not sure I want one...and an ipad is not the answer.. grin


Edited by Fran Carango (01/16/14 06:10 PM)
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#381607 - 01/16/14 06:23 PM Re: G70 still sounds great 18 years after release...! [Re: Fran Carango]
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Originally Posted By: Fran Carango


Ian, I never return..only resell.. smile
But...I did not buy a BK9...yet....Maybe I will call Bill Lewis and try his BK9..

I know I would like it for the most part..as I liked the BK5 for media playback, sounds, and styles..add the Chord seq and full 16 track sequencer..and audio keys...I could like it a lot..

The get around operation is another story....It just isn't up to my standards.. frown

There is also a remaining problem the way it handles system exclusive, that I don't like...the G70 handles it well..Just dismissing by stating XG files don't work is boloney...The G70 does it fine...They made short cuts that don't fly with me..
Without that touch screen...I am not sure I want one...and an ipad is not the answer.. grin



Thanks for your candid reply, Fran.

One thing about you, you know what YOU want.

A former client of mine tried a BK-9 in Toronto last week (we haven't seen any here yet) and he said it had nowhere near the quality feel of the G-70, and yes, he said, it is much cheaper, but for a G-70 player it feels like he'd be taking a step back rather than moving ahead, despite the extra new features and sounds.

He has a G-70, a G-1000, and a new Jupiter 80, so he's a 76 key man like yourself. He is not too keen on getting the BK-9. I tried to interest him in a Tyros5-76, but he's a Roland guy through and through (except for the Yamaha Stagepas 600i I sold him), so no luck there. That's why I was wondering why you passed on it (at least so far).

Ian
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#381620 - 01/16/14 08:03 PM Re: G70 still sounds great 18 years after release...! [Re: Dnj]
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I guess I'm not a Jerry Lee type of player, guys - never found the necessity and never had any keyboard move on the stand - not one, regardless of weight.

Now, the cost of a new Carbon Fiber guitar, ranges from about $900 to $1,800 for a quality acoustic guitar. I got to play one in Florida, and a lot of sailboat cruisers had them because they never have to worry about moisture. They were extremely lightweight, and sounded fantastic, much better than many of the heavy wooden counterparts.

It really makes absolutely no difference in performance quality of an arranger keyboard, amp, etc... if the case that houses the electronics is made of cast iron, steel, high-impact plastic, or carbon fiber. Now, speakers are somewhat different, but that too seems to have been changed with improved acoustic technology. I can clearly remember when in order to obtain great sound you needed a speaker cabinet made of inch-thick fiberboard, and until recently, I believe Peavey still used that stuff. If it got damp, the glue failed and the speaker literally fell apart. They weighed a ton - I'm sure everyone remembers them. Now, nearly all speaker cabinets are made of high-impact plastic - gee I wonder why? wink

Fran, I was never a car guy - I only wanted my cars to last forever, and get me to and from the jobs. I do, however, remember my son building a 280Z and spending several months building the 550 HP engine he put it the thing. Thank God, he never raced it. The guy that purchased it from him blew it up at the York Dragaway and damned near got killed.

Cheers,

Gary cool
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#381626 - 01/16/14 10:08 PM Re: G70 still sounds great 18 years after release...! [Re: Dnj]
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Too light? A couple Velcro strips holds anything in place. I have an Edirol controller that weighs about 9 pounds, and they keep it from moving.
Heavy feel is good feel for piano players. Many of us are not, and have never been, piano players. Light is better for some of us. It's what YOU need and want, not what someone else thinks is best.
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#381681 - 01/17/14 10:39 AM Re: G70 still sounds great 18 years after release...! [Re: Dnj]
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Don't confuse heavy FEEL with heavy keyboard...

Basically, as far as comparisons go, most arrangers have almost the exact same feel, at least compared to the wide range of other keyboards, from stiff old piano actions, to toy keyboards with no weight whatsoever.

There's far less difference between my G70 and a T5 than there is between different pianos alone!

But the construction of the CASE? That's where most of the weight differences between arrangers is coming from. And, unless you only play at home, cover up your keyboard with plastic while not in use and baby the switches and knobs, that's where you are going to see why stronger, hence heavier construction comes into play.

Now, I know on this forum of rabid equipment changers, few of you ever keep a keyboard more than a few years. But keep it ten years or more, and you will quickly see why a little extra weight pays off in the long run.

TBH, I have doubts my BK-9 will hold up nearly as long as my G70 has. Sure, lugging 25 fewer lbs around is going to be nice. But ask me again in ten years!

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#381689 - 01/17/14 11:50 AM Re: G70 still sounds great 18 years after release...! [Re: Dnj]
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I'll probably be dead in ten years! Longest I ever kept an arranger was no more than three years. PSR8000, PSR2000, and Roland E50 lasted the longest, although they became backups to newer ones along the line. The PA3X has been around more than two years now, as was the Audya.
Ten years? Nope, not unless they quit making new ones or I go too broke to get one. smile
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#381703 - 01/17/14 01:12 PM Re: G70 still sounds great 18 years after release...! [Re: Dnj]
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Ten years for my G1000, nearly ten for the G70 (the BK-9 still hasn't supplanted it for live use).

I'm hoping that ten years for the BK-9 is doable. Hopefully, the budget construction will hold up. And me!

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#381718 - 01/17/14 02:04 PM Re: G70 still sounds great 18 years after release...! [Re: Dnj]
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My 10-year-old PSR-3000, which is sitting right next to me, doesn't have a single scratch on it, every button and key works as good as the day it came out of the box. This keyboard has been on the road for all 10 years, used in more than 2,500 jobs and never failed mechanically or electronically. Anyone that ever owned a 3000 will tell you it's a workhorse and was well ahead of it's time. If for some, unforeseen reason my S950 were to crap out, I could put that 3000 on stage the same day and wouldn't skip a beat.

All of my guitars, 6 of them, were in pristine condition when sold - not a scratch on any of them. They were cleaned and polished after each use, the strings were changed regularly, and in each case was an Silicone impregnated, multi-fiber cloth that was used to wipe it down every day it was handled.

I still have a 50-year old M-Honer harmonica in my office that is in the original case, nice and shiny and plays like the day it arrived under the Christmas tree.

All of the amps I sold went out to the buyers in original boxes, and they looked and smelled the same as they did when they were brand new. Same was true with non-powered and powered speakers.

I'm just as meticulous about my boat and mini-van. I know guys on this forum that I would never purchase any piece of gear from because I know how they treat it. That list just got longer. wink

Maybe I just anal about the way I maintain my gear, but that's just the way it is with me. I work damned hard for my money, and none of this stuff is inexpensive. Therefore, to me, it really doesn't make any difference if the keyboard case is made of cast iron or high-impact plastic - it gets treated the same - with kid gloves!

Gary cool
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