Listening to this demo video, I have to say the Tyros5 edged out the PA3x...overall

Both boards sound better than what I own...with a few exceptions..again judging from demos on line...The exceptions I prefer my board sounds..acoustic and electric pianos, drums, scats, and possibly organs..

True..

Except we are not discussing that in this topic...

It's obviously a given that an expert at just about anything is going to outperform someone average skilled performing the same task with the same tools.

The more important comparison is having that same great player play a 20 year old arranger, and then play the T5 and/or PA3X.
I'm certain both the T5 and PA3X will sound a lot better as a result of 20 years of keyboard technological advancements.
Have an average home player do the same thing, I'd expect the T5/PA3X sound improvement will be noticed and appreciated as well.


Scott

Oops I don't know what happened there but I was going to say they both sound very good and not much to choose between them in some areas but I would probably choose the T5. Even so it still wouldn't cause me to rush out and change from what I already own.

They both sound fantastic, but there are differences that can be tweaked to taste. If they were in the same case and size - it'd be harder for me to decide, but as packaged - KORG.

Jerry,
I have sent you a PM.

There seem to be a lot of home truths this time here in this thread. And this time Diki, who so often spends a plethoria of prhases on any issue hits the nail right on the head.(see his comments here....

regards,
John

so then you agree with diki who states that it is foolish for a pro musician to buy new gear, as they will also sound great on 20 year old gear?

Offcourse he is right.... But i think every musician wants a better sounding instument to start with, they are all perfectionists, and sounding better is part of that .. On top of that, many of the newer instruments allow for more creative freedom...

I donts ee how Dikis remarks have any contribution towards the topic of which sound of these 2 you prefer... Every human and every musician has its own preferences...

The only remarks of diki that cut the wood, where the ones about the player that does not seem to realise how to get most out of these instruments, and is playing virtual sounds out of the range of the natural instrument. Playing a violin in the range of a chello does not make it sound any more realistic, does it?

Makes me think of this poem we used to hear once and a while at A.A. meetings...

'Twas battered and scarred,
And the auctioneer thought it
hardly worth his while
To waste his time on the old violin,
but he held it up with a smile.

"What am I bid, good people", he cried,
"Who starts the bidding for me?"
"One dollar, one dollar, Do I hear two?"
"Two dollars, who makes it three?"
"Three dollars once, three dollars twice, going for three,"

But, No,
From the room far back a gray bearded man
Came forward and picked up the bow,
Then wiping the dust from the old violin
And tightening up the strings,
He played a melody, pure and sweet
As sweet as the angel sings.

The music ceased and the auctioneer
With a voice that was quiet and low,
Said "What now am I bid for this old violin?"
As he held it aloft with its' bow.

"One thousand, one thousand, Do I hear two?"
"Two thousand, Who makes it three?"
"Three thousand once, three thousand twice,
Going and gone", said he.

The audience cheered,
But some of them cried,
"We just don't understand."
"What changed its' worth?"
Swift came the reply.
"The Touch of the Masters Hand."

And many a man with life out of tune
All battered with bourbon and gin
Is auctioned cheap to a thoughtless crowd
Much like that old violin

A mess of pottage, a glass of wine,
A game and he travels on.
He is going once, he is going twice,
He is going and almost gone.

But the Master comes,
And the foolish crowd never can quite understand,
The worth of a soul and the change that is wrought
By the Touch of the Masters' Hand.

Myra Brooks Welch

Here's my perspective...

I bought my Tyros4 for ME.

I could have easily gigged with a PSR-S910, or even a PSR-3000 or PSR-2000, and still do a good performance. I know this, because I actually used those instruments for my own personal jobs.

I could probably do just as good with one of the Korg or Roland arrangers.

But, when I play the Tyros4, I really like that extra bit of realism in the sounds, especially the SA2, and it makes me want to play more often because I like how the FSX action feels under my fingers.

I spent the last of my savings buying my Tyros4, and consequentially had to do without several other things, but the satisfaction I get back playing it and hearing that extra quality in the sound and the extra dimension in the response were worth the extra money to me, because I appreciate those attributes...they appeal to ME personally.

My audience may not know or hear the difference between an S910 and a Tyros4, but I sure do.


Both instruments in the video have their respective strengths and weaknesses...it just boils down to choosing the one that has the strengths you can't do without, and the weaknesses that you can live with.

Ian

Great poem.

I never heard it before in meetings in the 80's. Maybe different time and place, but it is sure applicable to things and people alike.