#377583 - 12/09/1308:35 AMRe: If no more Arrangers were EVER made would you be..
[Re: Uncle Dave]
Marcus
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Registered: 11/17/12
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Loc: Canada
My Tyros 4 is now my gigging arranger that replaced my Tyros 3. Love the SA2 voices, the new choir/ vocal voices, and depth allowed in both the Voice And Style Creator.
The Tyros 4 flash memory was a huge improvement over the T3 DIMMs. Had to wait up to 20 minutes for my Custom and Expansion voices to load each time I turned on my Tyros 3. Those days will be over when my Tyros 5 comes in.
So if no more arrangers were made I would be abundantly satisfied with my Tyros 4, and pamper my backup Tyros 5 that will remain in my home/studio unless an important occasion warrants playing out.
I invested my time and energy learning the Yamaha OS, but any major manufacture makes a very good arranger to satisfy ones needs far into the future. Have to remember that these modern arranger do wear out and age, so I keep two at a time and trade up the oldest model every three years or so. For live performances your arranger must be dependable and must help make sure they remain dependable as possible.
#377650 - 12/10/1312:22 AMRe: If no more Arrangers were EVER made would you be..
[Re: Dnj]
Mark79100
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Dnj
At the very least it would force people top really DIG IN to what they now have and learn what these fantastic instruments are capable of.
I like this comment the best. Less time spent looking on the horizon and waiting for the next technological breakthrough and more time actually playing your present "technological breakthrough!"
#377662 - 12/10/1306:45 AMRe: If no more Arrangers were EVER made would you be..
[Re: Uncle Dave]
Bill Lewis
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[quote=Uncle Dave]I'd miss some things, but I could play out the rest of my career as long as I have something to play bass lines with, a drum machine (or drummer), and something to pound out chords on ... preferably an electric piano type sound. To be honest - my Antique Korg i5S that Boo sold me, would do the trick nicely ... IF it had to. My PA900 is filling the bill quite well for the next little while and there is nothing on the horizon that excites me. NOTHING.
I think Dave hit it perfectly. For the limited amount and type of gigs for arranger players these days whats out there is enough. No one really cares about the greatest sax sound or a bunch of horn lines in the backround. If you've got a simple solid rhythm backing, some chords to fill in and a decent voice ( you reading this Deb ? ) your good to go.
Edited by Bill Lewis (12/10/1306:46 AM)
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#377663 - 12/10/1306:53 AMRe: If no more Arrangers were EVER made would you be..
[Re: Bill Lewis]
Dnj
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Originally Posted By: Bill Lewis
No one really cares about the greatest sax sound or a bunch of horn lines in the background. If you've got a simple solid rhythm backing, some chords to fill in and a decent voice your good to go.
That about says it all for a working OMB KB pro today.... add a versatile Powerful PA for all types of gigs & a laptop your good to go..
as a side note:.......... Yamaha & others should start thinking about years to come when all the 60's, 70's, 80's, "Wooden ORGAN BABY BOOMERS" are all gone,.....players will have many different needs when it comes to automatic arranger Kb's or whatever comes next down the pike,......
#377666 - 12/10/1307:18 AMRe: If no more Arrangers were EVER made would you be..
[Re: Dnj]
hammer
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Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 2414
Loc: Texas
No problem for me. I'd buy a first rate rhythm machine or a great midi player plus a Vibes setup and continue to do my thing. Actually thought about doing that and if you think your TOTL arranger is expensive take a look at what the best Vibes cost these days! Mallet work was my forte when I was doing studio work in the 60's and 70's.
Then as as been posted above doing DJ work with a good laptop is also a great option.
[quote=Uncle Dave]I'd miss some things, but I could play out the rest of my career as long as I have something to play bass lines with, a drum machine (or drummer), and something to pound out chords on ... preferably an electric piano type sound. To be honest - my Antique Korg i5S that Boo sold me, would do the trick nicely ... IF it had to. My PA900 is filling the bill quite well for the next little while and there is nothing on the horizon that excites me. NOTHING.
I think Dave hit it perfectly. For the limited amount and type of gigs for arranger players these days whats out there is enough. No one really cares about the greatest sax sound or a bunch of horn lines in the backround. If you've got a simple solid rhythm backing, some chords to fill in and a decent voice ( you reading this Deb ? ) your good to go.
I would be perfectly satisfied with my PA3X-Pro 76. It's really the arranger of my dreams, because has the best feeling keybed, the best styles for the music I like to play and great sounds (plus 256 Mb of RAM to load even more of them). Right now in my house there are five keyboards, but if I had to choose just one it would be the PA3X.
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#377672 - 12/10/1308:04 AMRe: If no more Arrangers were EVER made would you be..
[Re: Dnj]
DonM
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
I'm happy also with the PA3X. If I were just playing at home I would probably go for the 76, but since I move around a lot the 61 is better suited for me. Not saying I'll never change again, but sometimes I wish there WERE no options to change, so I wouldn't have to even worry about it.
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Loc: Ocala, FL USA
I will comment from a different point of view.... I'm coming from the days of super sounding, beautiful Thomas and Yamaha organs. I don't sing, play for $$ for homes or dance party's....I play for the fun and to entertain family/friends.
If Yamaha was still selling TOTL Electones here in US I would have one, not an arranger. Don't need portability, vocalizer ect. BUT what I do need/want is very top of the line features/sounds. When I play I want the sounds to be superb as this is what makes it fun. I play mostly slower types of music vs dance so it matters what each note sounds like. I use a lot of orchestrial voices. I play the stuff like that's on Dish channel 973(easy instumentals).
Yep, I'm one of those old fogy organ players that likes really good sound. So the arranger is all I have to choose from. I add a second keyboard and pedals. Yamaha pulled the organs out of the US & Europe, Lowry is OK, but very expensive, and the sounds are just OK. (By the way Lowry is, I'm told doing quite well selling organs in US and Europe)
I had a T2, then a PA2XPRO...not bad but not what I wanted....I have spent lot's of time listening to T5 demos and I think it will be a good choice for what I want. They really have the sounds nailed. The new ensemble feature is absolutely awesome for a lot of what I like.
So, for me the answer to the question is NO, I would not be satisfied...because each new one is better in the areas that I care about, SOUND.
#377675 - 12/10/1308:24 AMRe: If no more Arrangers were EVER made would you be..
[Re: leeboy]
Dnj
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Originally Posted By: leeboy
I will comment from a different point of view.... I'm coming from the days of super sounding, beautiful Thomas and Yamaha organs. I don't sing, play for $$ for homes or dance party's....I play for the fun and to entertain family/friends.
If Yamaha was still selling TOTL Electones here in US I would have one, not an arranger. Don't need portability, vocalizer ect. BUT what I do need/want is very top of the line features/sounds. When I play I want the sounds to be superb as this is what makes it fun. I play mostly slower types of music vs dance so it matters what each note sounds like. I use a lot of orchestrial voices. I play the stuff like that's on Dish channel 973(easy instumentals).
Yep, I'm one of those old fogy organ players that likes really good sound. So the arranger is all I have to choose from. I add a second keyboard and pedals. Yamaha pulled the organs out of the US & Europe, Lowry is OK, but very expensive, and the sounds are just OK. (By the way Lowry is, I'm told doing quite well selling organs in US and Europe)
I had a T2, then a PA2XPRO...not bad but not what I wanted....I have spent lot's of time listening to T5 demos and I think it will be a good choice for what I want. They really have the sounds nailed. The new ensemble feature is absolutely awesome for a lot of what I like.
So, for me the answer to the question is NO, I would not be satisfied...because each new one is better in the areas that I care about, SOUND.
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