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#373042 - 10/15/13 04:20 PM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: Jerry T]
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Originally Posted By: Jerry T
To answer your question Ian; its a 120 bass built into an SD1Plus. I also have a lighter 96 bass Orla KX10, and a 120 bass midi unit to use with a Roland A37. For short gigs and when I use files only, I use the Yamaha KX5. Now that I learned how to post photos watch out ...
Ciao,
Jerry


Thanks, Jerry. I have a friend in Newfoundland that plays piano and button accordions (and other keyboards), and I sent him the pictures of your setup.

He is using a Roland RA-90 (I think that's correct) for background styles as his squeezebox has a midi interface built in. He is considering upgrading, and, needless to say, he thought your setup was pretty cool.

Is your SD-1 Plus a discontinued model? I've seen one at Ketron USA with buttons for left and right...yours appears to have buttons left and keys right. Is that still available?

Excuse my ignorance as I am not familiar with these instruments. confused

Ian
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#373046 - 10/15/13 05:16 PM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: ianmcnll]
Jerry T Offline
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Registered: 09/23/05
Posts: 1002
Loc: Phila. 'burbs, Pa. USA
Ian, Ketron offers the SD8 with accordion bass and chromatic accordion right hand buttons. I’m pretty sure it has the same specs as the SD5.
I bought my SD1 Plus from Bill Stewart who purchased it from Ketron, had it sent to MasterSound that installed the bass unit. That was some years ago, when the Plus was first introduced, and it was very expensive, I thought ($5,400 back then). I followed Bill’s posts on another forum for years and asked him to let me know if ever thought about selling it. He notified me that he was posting it on ebay and the rest is history. I’ve had the Ajamsonic upgrade installed within the last year.
Ciao,
Jerry

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#373047 - 10/15/13 05:26 PM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: Dnj]
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Obviously it is a keeper, Jerry, especially with the Ajamsonic upgrade.

Thanks for taking the time to give me the info...I'll pass it on to my friend, Junior.

Sometimes the extra expense is well worth it...I was going to get a PSR-S910, but managed to scrape up enough moolah for the big'un, the Tyros4.

Needless to say, it is definitely a keeper for me...even after almost two years, I'm still on the honeymoon.

Ian
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#373055 - 10/16/13 12:00 AM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: Diki]
Mark79100 Offline
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Diki
The bottom line is, if you can play ONE, you can play them all. If you can play an accordion, you can play a piano with a little bit of work.


Diki.......this is the most ridiculous thing you ever said! I grew up on the accordion and still play today. I then turned to arranger keyboards....a long term learning process for an accordionist. When I finally switched to piano, it took me 1-2 years before I could even form chords like I did on the right hand, much less do walking bass lines. And that's after learning the arranger!

Yes, you can play a piano almost overnight if you play single bass notes only with your left hand (and most unsophisticated people wouldn't even know the difference). But that's a far cry from being a pianist like Donny is talking about!

The only advantage of coming off an accordion, I believe, is that an accordionist will work extra hard on that left hand.....probably more than most who start out as just "pianists." I know I did, and today I'm fluent....and thankful for all that concentrated work I put into it!

Originally Posted By: Diki
If you can play an organ, you can play a harpsichord!


And this is the second dumbest thing I ever heard you say.

Yes, you can "play anything" if you want to play an instrument in it's most simplified way (like playing "single bass notes on the piano").

Fact is, you could probably play something like tennis if all you want to do is just hit the ball around the court. But I certainly wouldn't call my self a "tennis player."

You need to make disclaimers when you make statements like you said here.

Now go ahead with your usual "save face" rebuttal....I'm not even going to bother reading it!

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#373060 - 10/16/13 05:01 AM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: Mark79100]
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Mark, I think Diki is talking about the mechanics...and he mentioned "a bit of work"..

BTW: As you already know the accordion was the ideal instrument to learn...circle of fifths and chord structure..I never seen a taught accordionist that didn't play full chords smile

Everyone of my accordion playing friends (accomplished ) play great piano and organ too.....Harpsichord, I am not sure of grin


Edited by Fran Carango (10/16/13 05:02 AM)
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#373061 - 10/16/13 05:12 AM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: Mark79100]
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
Originally Posted By: Mark79100

Now go ahead with your usual "save face" rebuttal....I'm not even going to bother reading it!


Wow! Some of you guys are like sharks when a drop of blood hits the water.....can't wait to join the 'feeding frenzy'. It seems that as soon as a few of the 'established' "popular guys" decide who the next victim is going to be, then the 'wannabee's' start lining up to pile on. You gotta admire some of the real 'class' people like Rikki, for example, who, if they can't say something nice about somebody, just don't say anything.

Diki has a way of phrasing things that may sometimes come across as abrasive, but it's still just HIS OPINION, which is just as valid for him as yours is for you. If you disagree with him, fine, but why attack him personally? Attack his argument and stop there. You really don't need to succumb to this mob mentality to be accepted on this board. It seems like short-timers feel the need to do this to accelerate their 'street creds'. Not necessary, trust me. Some of the most respected and revered members here NEVER take part in these activities, no matter how provocative a post may seem (to you). There should be a lesson in there somewhere.

I haven't always been a model citizen but I'm definitely trying harder to be. Maybe we all should.

chas
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#373064 - 10/16/13 05:47 AM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: Dnj]
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Mark, you better behave...only 69 days till Christmas...you be gettin' coal in your stockin'...only useful if your keyboard is that old, it runs on steam...like Boo's.

Just sayin',

Ian (supporting Santa, and good behavior, since 1955)
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#373069 - 10/16/13 07:10 AM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: Mark79100]
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
Originally Posted By: Mark79100
Originally Posted By: Diki
The bottom line is, if you can play ONE, you can play them all. If you can play an accordion, you can play a piano with a little bit of work.


Diki.......this is the most ridiculous thing you ever said! I grew up on the accordion and still play today. I then turned to arranger keyboards....a long term learning process for an accordionist. When I finally switched to piano, it took me 1-2 years before I could even form chords like I did on the right hand, much less do walking bass lines. And that's after learning the arranger!

Yes, you can play a piano almost overnight if you play single bass notes only with your left hand (and most unsophisticated people wouldn't even know the difference). But that's a far cry from being a pianist like Donny is talking about!

The only advantage of coming off an accordion, I believe, is that an accordionist will work extra hard on that left hand.....probably more than most who start out as just "pianists." I know I did, and today I'm fluent....and thankful for all that concentrated work I put into it!

Originally Posted By: Diki
If you can play an organ, you can play a harpsichord!


And this is the second dumbest thing I ever heard you say.

Yes, you can "play anything" if you want to play an instrument in it's most simplified way (like playing "single bass notes on the piano").

Fact is, you could probably play something like tennis if all you want to do is just hit the ball around the court. But I certainly wouldn't call my self a "tennis player."

You need to make disclaimers when you make statements like you said here.

Now go ahead with your usual "save face" rebuttal....I'm not even going to bother reading it!


Apparently, you haven't heard of the concept of remaining polite on this forum. I look forward to your next departure.
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#373117 - 10/16/13 06:33 PM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: Dnj]
Songman55 Offline
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Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 892
Loc: Baltimore, MD USA
Back to the original post. I am both a trained pianist, and a very dedicated arranger player. I consider playing an arranger just as much of an art form as playing the piano. There is a technique involved with arranger playing that many trained pianists don't get. I have a very good friend who is a very good jazz pianist. He can't play an arranger to save his life. He has had me come over several times to show him how to do it and he still can't wrap himself around it. I guess another way to look at it is accordion players. I couldn't play Come to Jesus on an accordion if my life depended on it. My wife is a very accomplished accordionist but I can't play one for shit. Each instrument demands a level of performance and just because you can play one doesn't mean you can play all of them.

Joe keys


Edited by Songman55 (10/16/13 06:35 PM)
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#373122 - 10/16/13 09:29 PM Re: I'm NOT a Piano Player............. [Re: cgiles]
Nigel Offline
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Registered: 06/01/98
Posts: 6482
Loc: Ventura CA USA
You absolutely nailed it chas !!!! Well said.

Abusing another forum member because you don't agree with their opinion is walking on very thin ice. If you can't disagree with an opinion without getting personal ... you better not respond at all. Though the line "If you can't be bothered, I wouldn't actually brag about it if I were you!" is also bordering on getting personal as well.

People should re-read the sticky topic on this forum "Please discuss topics in a civil manner or move on". And I am fine with helping people move on.

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