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#370728 - 08/19/13 09:09 AM Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination
Uncle Dave Offline
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Here's a demo I just recorded using the internal mic input first, then switching to the VLT2 going through a small mixer. There's about 20-30 seconds of silence where I unplug and replug, so don't be alarmed if the sound stops for a while. I think it happens at 1:40, or 2:40 in the track. Can't remember.

Hope this helps clarify just how different the built in technology seems to be compared to the flagship TC stuff.


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#370729 - 08/19/13 09:20 AM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Thank you very much indeed!
Well, it is obvious that Pa900's vocal processing is nothing like Pa3x. I had some doubts and hopes, but I don't think is really up to the standard for using it live. Jus too bad, as a better harmonizer will have been the cherry on the cake for such a great instrument.
That being the case, I wonder how much do I need the other functions that sets Pa600 and Pa900 apart. I might end up with a Pa600 and a proper vocalist, as some other forumists already have.
Thank you UD, much apreciated!


Edited by adimatis (08/19/13 09:44 AM)
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#370731 - 08/19/13 09:22 AM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: Uncle Dave]
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You're welcome, and I hope it answered some questions for you.
I'm now fully convinced - it can't get any better with user manipulation. Any improvements will have to come from software or firmware upgrades.

Get busy, Korg!
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#370760 - 08/19/13 01:12 PM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: Uncle Dave]
Saswick Offline
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Hi Dave

I'm very glad I stuck with the Pa600 and bought the VLT2, judging from your demo I would have been well upset if I had waited for the Pa900. I can't believe Korg have got it so wrong.

Have you tried using the VLT2 directly into the Pa900 without a mixer. I found the gain on the VLT1 was very low but the VLT2 has an extra 6db gain on the output so it should be better, I must give it a try, up to now I have been using the VLT2 into my Zoom R16 for recording.

I found using the VLT 1 directly into the Pa600 the only way to get a decent balance without a preamp/mixer was to decrease the gain on the limiter which does not affect the line/VLT input but drops the output of the keyboard.

I'll do a quick demo using the VLT2 into the Pa600 for a comparison.

Kind Regards

Col

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#370761 - 08/19/13 01:22 PM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: Saswick]
DonM Offline
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When the PA800 first came out, I bought what was supposed to be the first one in the U.S. The rep hand-delivered it to me.
It was absolutely awful sounding.
I tried everything to make it sound good, but it just wouldn't.
I sold it after a couple of months. About a week after that, Korg released a whole new OS that dramatically changed it, and corrected about everything that was wrong.
Maybe that will happen again. It is always a risk to buy a keyboard that has just been released. We are the beta testers!
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#370762 - 08/19/13 02:21 PM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: adimatis]
montunoman Offline
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Originally Posted By: adimatis
Thank you very much indeed!That being the case, I wonder how much do I need the other functions that sets Pa600 and Pa900 apart. I might end up with a Pa600 and a proper vocalist, as some other forumists already have.
Thank you UD, much apreciated!


That's what I'm thinking too.
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#370775 - 08/19/13 11:20 PM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: DonM]
adimatis Offline
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Originally Posted By: DonM
... and corrected about everything that was wrong.
Maybe that will happen again.


That would be indeed the way to solve this.
I would prefer the onboard harmonizer, as I donțt need all the fancy other functions found on latest TC processors for instance. I'd be very happy with a basic, but good quality vocalist in Pa900.

In other words, if Korg will fix this (if possible at all) I would go for it. If not, there's no other alternative than an separate unit...


Edited by adimatis (08/19/13 11:21 PM)
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#370784 - 08/20/13 01:30 AM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: adimatis]
Beemer Offline
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Dave,

I listened to your MP3 on my Beyer DT 770 headphones. I hear bad digital distortion. This is heard at several points in time starting after 1:28.

Ian



Edited by Beemer (08/20/13 01:34 AM)
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#370802 - 08/20/13 07:39 AM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Dave, I listened to the demo on my MS50 sound system and there is a fair amount of distortion. However, I'm not sure if the distortion is caused by overdriven components, or just a single component that is not functioning properly. I wish I could be of more help on this, but it's difficult to do from 90 miles away.

Hope you're able to solve the problem,

Gary cool
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#370803 - 08/20/13 07:55 AM Re: Mic test on PA900 ... detailed explaination [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Dave,
I'm no singer but I listened to your demo and right from the beginning of your singing I heard a lot of distortion when you sang with harmony. I've got a PA900 sitting right here at my store and after hearing yours I tried mine again and I hear only clean sound with and without the harmony turned on.
I fowarded your posting to the product manager at Korg USA and asked him to look into this.
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