I miss the simplicity of the Yamaha drum styles, especially the swing patterns. Anyone convert these to Korg PA style yet? How much is something like that worth? Trade other sounds, styles maybe?

I love the sound and feel of this 900, but I miss Ringo.

Dave that's one of the downfalls of Yamaha to KORG conversion they just done sound the same..btw you got mail..

I do? Where's my mail?????

BTW, most of what's missing is just a bit simpler drum pattern, (Korg - please, LAY OFF the latin percussion in swing styles!)
more, and cooler walking bass patterns in variations 2 & 3. V1 is all you need for the I and V patter, and maybe more brush work on the snare.

As for the busy-ness - I LOVE, love, love the asignable button set to "mute parts 1-5" ... I leave that off for almost everything unless I'm in the 4th variation. They are generally busier than I like.

Now, where's my mail, again?

Dave,
I totally agree. How about this for gigging stories. I used the PA900 three times now on my regular gigs. Believe it or not, at two of the venues I was asked not to bring back the PA900 because the folks with hearing aides found it very hard to tolerate. They were perfectly fine with either the Tyros 4 or my S950. What is that saying about the excessive overly busy variations 3 and 4 on almost all the styles.

I never thought about using one of the assignable buttons to turn off tracks. I will give that a try.

Deane

Maybe you simply need something like the Roland's Makeup Tools editing? It is a snap to mute ALL the percussion with one button on Roland's, or each drum individually, then save the style.

Job done.

Well Diki, if I HAD a Roland that'd be a feature I'd use, but let's stick to the topic right now, shall we? Boy, you and Fran think the answer to everything is "get a Roland."
You forget - that silent slab of yours has no speakers, no harmonizer and a teeny tiny viewing screen. Not for everyone .. certainly not for me.
Geeze Louize.
Anyway - the Korg addresses that very subject perfectly with the assignable button choices.

And Deane,
Yup- it's that "in your face" sound that Korg is famous for. I love it, but I want the best of both worlds. I'm editing drum styles as we speak. Copying walking patterns into bouncing ones. Make a huge difference for me. Yamaha is so good at "middle of the road", blended sound - your people are used to not having to "hear too much" at once.

Dave,
I only play for senior audiences and what I have learned is not to loud and not to harsh goes a long way with them. I can't count the times I have been thanked after a gig for playing softer but fun music them. Took me about 2 years to learn that lesson. I too am playing with all the Korg tools to see what can be done. Have to admit, I am really enjoying it and I am in no hurry cause the 950 is ready to go when needed.

Deane

I think it is amazing about how different senior audiences can be ... I find I get more response out of the full blown or just about full blown styles then I do with the softer less complicated styles ...

Tony,
You are right. I have places like the full retirement communities where the people are still healthy, will dance or sing, and it is more of a party atmosphere. It is the Assisted Living venues where I must be very careful.

Deane

Changing the drums and or bass -- or changing the Global EQ does the job for me.

My Kn7000 is laid back in both areas of drums and basses. With my Pa800 – using the above ideas I can get right in the middle of both keyboards.

The Global EQ can be changed easily.

John C.

It's more notes than tones, but I hear ya, John. I'm working on t right now .... still!

First of all let me say this:
I sympathize with UD's remark towards Diki and Fran: do you always have to drag in your affection for Roland ? And I mean no disrespect to either of you , let that be noticed.

As to the Korg accompaniment being too busy, here is my simple view. On the outset of this century most of the Yamaha styles were pretty monotonous in the sense that they only covered one (two at the most) bars and in the sense that many of the acc. tracks were simply empty and (at its best) came in during variation 4. Do you realize how much more demanding it is to have to add new tracks to a style yourself than it is to simply eliminate one or two acc. tracks from an existing style if you think they are too busy ? Korg's styles have always been varied on both counts. They cover 4-8 bars and yes they are generally pretty well filled up. But as mentioned here, it is dead easy to mute some acc. tracks ( one second each !!!) and have an acc. that is less demanding and more quiet.

regards
John

Indeed, I think this "busyness" of Korg styles is actually a great thing. Not only you could mute what is too much, but you can actually create two or three different arrangements from the same style, muting different parts each time!

Nobody HAS TO use a style with all the tracks enabled!

My point entirely Adamatis. Those who use my Performances in one of their PA arranger keyboards will know what is meant here.

regards,
John

No offense, but I see Korg and Yamaha users posting freely on threads started by users of other arrangers. Get over yourselves..!

Secondly, the answer isn't 'get a Roland'... The answer is 'tell your arranger manufacturer how GOOD this feature is, and get them to invent something similar so YOU can do things this easy'!

Let us not forget...Diki's BK9 has 76 playable keys in a 20 pound unit...It has real drawbars and and the goodies that make you feel like you are playing a real organ...It has the mentioned edit tools for easy editing..It has a professional mic input, not a throw together design...It has fully editable drums that sound like drums...it has a lot of superior sounds and styles...all this to go along with the chord sequencer and audio key play..It also has a great MP3,Wav, midi playback design..

It almost makes me want to order one.....if they had a touch screen

I fully support anyone who sings the praises of their favorite tools, but the issue I see all too often is this:
Someone askes a specific question about a technique on their instrument. Instead of offering help in the specified topic, the answer is "well, the ROLAND does this ...." not helpful.
Sharing the coolness of all the toys is something we all enjoy, but c'mon ... just because you love it, that doesn't mean that everyone needs it too.

I'll bet 50 cents that the screen on that wonderful new BK9 will drive every owner to the ipad ... as Roland intended.

I appreciate all the helpful advice and comments that the experienced users share, but I'm really tired of how it seems to revert to the pissing contests of old.
It's pretty evident that so far, NO ONE has exactly what they want. Even Gary Diamond ... who is the most loyal to his setup of all of us is making a change.

There are at least FIVE statements in your comment, Fran that are totally subjective.(playable keys, real organ, sounds like drums, superior styles ... etc) Let's keep the perspective and learn from real world trials of these fine tools.


Rant over.

Dave..your question was asked and answered in the first two post...the rest of the thread has nothing to do with your question...but seeing how boring the Korg topic has been...we all try to make it more interesting....Go get your coffee!!!

Let's not forget that the OP is also an indictment of Korg... by a Korg owner (I guess that's what makes it OK? LOL).

Diki, it's true that I'm a little perturbed at Korg right now. They really dropped the ball on this one, but I'm determined to make this thing happy at work ... or make ME happy, I should say!

I guess I'm a little jealous that you love your BK so much right out of the box.

Oh Boy it's starting thats was fast Dave........

But you & a 76 key BK9 would be a very interesting scenario..

Donny, nothing is happening here .... certainly not a switch to another silent slab. If I could live with no speakers, I'd have kept the 3x. It was great in all respects except vocal monitoring. Rest easy, There is no way I'm switching now ... I'll make this think work if it's the last thing I play!

what about a BK9, floor wedge monitor, Bose compact & Voice touch?

FLOOR WEDGE? Are you serious?
Those days are so over.
I need it in my face, or in er.

ok thought you forgot the "old days"...lol

I could see the floor monitor on a long standing "House Gig"...but not for everyday jobs...

No more for me ... it's too far away from my face. I'm a different performer these days as a soloist. If ANYTHING, I still have my powered hot spot system - main unit and 2 slaves ... all mic stand mountable.

LOL yeah but at least you still have the light show!!

I use the Mackie SRM150's (a pair) for monitoring. They are loud enough to keep up with a full bore live band, which no built in speakers ever will be, and offer considerable flexibility with connectivity (a lot more than most built-ins).

Sure, it's a bit more to set up, but the sound is great, and I rarely play gigs that are so quiet the built-ins would suffice.

lol daves a light traveler would never carry all that stuff....

Dave don't play with real drummers!

Isn't it the drummer's job to carry all that stuff???
... after all, the female vocalist caries her own mic - sometimes - ...

Never had a drummer carry MY monitor rig for me!

You find one, give me his number... he's hired!