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#370270 - 08/11/13 09:31 AM Bye Bye Love Version 2
Saswick Member Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 875 Loc: Garstang, Preston, Lancashire,...	Hello super critics, here is version one and two for your entertainment, I've not heard a comment from Diki or Fran re the drums and bass (Roland xv2020) Version one: https://app.box.com/s/ad0cqeocczxkgv15daof Version two: https://app.box.com/s/yxu52oc7yxzd6ie2bpwg I hope no two is an improvement LOL I do try Regards Col
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#370273 - 08/11/13 09:49 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43707	Col getting better all the time try roling off some low end Eq....and bring back the volume to sit in the mix not over power it. Its all about balance. hae you also tried to record the song multi-tracking doing the music first then Vocals over the top this would let you adjust vol/EQ separately on all tracks etc, then mix it down... Edited by Dnj (08/11/13 10:00 AM)
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#370275 - 08/11/13 10:43 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43707	Col as I looked at this (2) recording in my editor it's seems very over modulated Peaking in the RED throughout the song,...do you have any level indicator on your recording device that you can adjust also..? Edited by Dnj (08/11/13 10:45 AM)
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#370276 - 08/11/13 11:27 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Dnj]
Saswick Member Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 875 Loc: Garstang, Preston, Lancashire,...	Hi Donny I recorded the song on seven individual tracks simultaneously (Zoom R16) 1 Lead Voice 2 High Harmony voice (1/3 up) 3 Higher Harmony voice (1/5 up) 4 Bass (Roland xv2020) 5 Drums (Roland vx2020) 6 Korg Pa600 lead (Right hand) 7 Korg Pa600 Acomp (Style Country Quickstep 174 BPM) The drums (panned left) and bass (panned right) were sent to the xv2020 then to two mono tracks on the zoom. The Pa600 Right hand (Panned left) and the accmp (panned right) out to two more mono tracks on the zoom. The mic is fitted with a splitter cable one side to the zoom (Mono) the other side to the TC Voicelive Touch 2. The Voicelive is set up to output two harmony voices one left and one right to separe tracks on the Zoom. The Lead voice is muted in the VH. All effects in the VH off (The effects in the VH are stereo so you get bleeding between the tracks if the are used, similarly the effects, for the same reason, in the Korg are turned off. All voice's are including the instruments are recorded flat no effects, the effects are applied afterwards using Cubase. The Mixing/Mastering is just a matter of taste and learning how to apply the multitude of effects available in Cubase, Compression, Limiting etc etc. As far as singing over the music I'm only really playing chords with the left hand so it's really not a big deal. I may start over dubbing fills, strings etc as I am more familiar with the current set up. The Zoom allows simultaneous recording of 8 tracks then a further 8 tracks for over dubbing. When I get round to it (so much to learn, so little time) I'm awaiting delivery of a 49 key midi controller (keyboard), split into two zones and hooked up to the Korg to give me access to the three right hand voice's without messing about with buttons. You can mute the right hand voices on the Pa600 and still play them via midi from the master keyboard. Hope all is well with you and yours Kind Regards Col PS I thought I had got it a touch loud Edited by Saswick (08/11/13 11:29 AM)
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#370277 - 08/11/13 11:36 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43707	Originally Posted By: Saswick Hi Donny I recorded the song on seven individual tracks simultaneously (Zoom R16) 1 Lead Voice 2 High Harmony voice (1/3 up) 3 Higher Harmony voice (1/5 up) 4 Bass (Roland xv2020) 5 Drums (Roland vx2020) 6 Korg Pa600 lead (Right hand) 7 Korg Pa600 Acomp (Style Country Quickstep 174 BPM) The drums (panned left) and bass (panned right) were sent to the xv2020 then to two mono tracks on the zoom. The Pa600 Right hand (Panned left) and the accmp (panned right) out to two more mono tracks on the zoom. The mic is fitted with a splitter cable one side to the zoom (Mono) the other side to the TC Voicelive Touch 2. The Voicelive is set up to output two harmony voices one left and one right to separe tracks on the Zoom. The Lead voice is muted in the VH. All effects in the VH off (The effects in the VH are stereo so you get bleeding between the tracks if the are used, similarly the effects, for the same reason, in the Korg are turned off. All voice's are including the instruments are recorded flat no effects, the effects are applied afterwards using Cubase. The Mixing/Mastering is just a matter of taste and learning how to apply the multitude of effects available in Cubase, Compression, Limiting etc etc. As far as singing over the music I'm only really playing chords with the left hand so it's really not a big deal. I may start over dubbing fills, strings etc as I am more familiar with the current set up. The Zoom allows simultaneous recording of 8 tracks then a further 8 tracks for over dubbing. When I get round to it (so much to learn, so little time) I'm awaiting delivery of a 49 key midi controller (keyboard), split into two zones and hooked up to the Korg to give me access to the three right hand voice's without messing about with buttons. You can mute the right hand voices on the Pa600 and still play them via midi from the master keyboard. Hope all is well with you and yours Kind Regards Col PS,... I thought I had got it a touch loud Col.....keep up the great work, sounds like your having mucho fun ....and that's what music creation is all about. Lord knows how many takes I will do on some of my recordings to hope to get it right in the end, but that's how we all learn. PS: watch that VU meter too..
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#370278 - 08/11/13 11:40 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Dnj]
Saswick Member Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 875 Loc: Garstang, Preston, Lancashire,...	Hi Donny Just tweaked the mix in Cubase Bye Bye Love 3 https://app.box.com/s/vuaxuekqi7s5mh4f23m1 Regards Col
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#370279 - 08/11/13 11:44 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43707	Originally Posted By: Saswick Hi Donny Just tweaked the mix in Cubase Bye Bye Love 3 https://app.box.com/s/vuaxuekqi7s5mh4f23m1 Regards Col Col 100% better my man ..!! now we are getting somewhere Congrats!!! More More more!!
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#370280 - 08/11/13 12:07 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
adimatis Senior Member Registered: 01/28/05 Posts: 1168 Loc: Oradea, RO	Very nice Col, sounds great - number 3 that is! I really like the harmony voices, they are very clean and crisp. And panned! _________________________ Yamaha S770, Studio One 3, EMU 0404USB, ESI, ATH, Dell. And others.
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#370281 - 08/11/13 12:11 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: adimatis]
Saswick Member Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 875 Loc: Garstang, Preston, Lancashire,...	Originally Posted By: adimatis Very nice Col, sounds great - number 3 that is! I really like the harmony voices, they are very clean and crisp. And panned! Thanks' Adimatis, I'm getting there slowly
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#370285 - 08/11/13 02:43 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
montunoman Senior Member Registered: 10/20/09 Posts: 3250 Loc: Dallas, Texas	The third one was a very good use of VH. _________________________ It not the keyboard, it's the keyboardist. www.youtube.com/channel/UCV94i--V-A8kZShmGTKyDOw https://www.facebook.com/elgrupocache
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#370287 - 08/11/13 02:46 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
montunoman Senior Member Registered: 10/20/09 Posts: 3250 Loc: Dallas, Texas	The third one was a very good use of VH. _________________________ It not the keyboard, it's the keyboardist. www.youtube.com/channel/UCV94i--V-A8kZShmGTKyDOw https://www.facebook.com/elgrupocache
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#370296 - 08/11/13 11:00 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
DonM Senior Member Registered: 06/25/99 Posts: 16735 Loc: Benton, LA, USA	Great job Colin! DonM _________________________ DonM
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#370305 - 08/12/13 05:41 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
Saswick Member Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 875 Loc: Garstang, Preston, Lancashire,...	Thanks Don and Montunoman Gradually getting to grips with this recording jobby. Col
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#370322 - 08/12/13 11:06 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
Diki Registered: 04/25/05 Posts: 14508 Loc: NW Florida	Personally, I wouldn't track any reverb with the VH. Or the lead vocal. If you are doing this by mixing down tracks, record those dry, then add the reverb afterwards. Still a bit phasey (if you have any chorus on the VH, take it off!) and wet for my tastes... You have to remember what period music you are doing, too. Back in those days, you'd have had a reverb chamber. I don't think even plates were widespread then. But slapback echo was all over the place. It's a good idea to have a close listen to the original records, and try to figure out what vocal treatment they are getting. A lot of 50's stuff, it's just some slapback and that's it. It helps keep the lead out front. Another good trick is to have LESS reverb on the lead voice than on the backing vox. That helps put the lead front and center. If only they labeled reverb as 'distance'! That might help a lot of people visualize what they are doing. Adding reverb pushes something BACK in the mix. Now, that's great with strings, or backing singers, but you wouldn't EVER set up your band (if you had one!) with the singer behind everybody else... but that's what making the lead too wet does! One more thing you might try doing... Seeing as how you can do overdubs, how about recording the lead take AFTER you have done everything else? That way, you can be ALL attitude and energy, without having to worry about playing anything or pushing buttons. That's how the big dogs do it..! Keep it up! Every mix you ever do is a learning experience. _________________________ An arranger is just a tool. What matters is what you build with it..!
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#370333 - 08/12/13 02:25 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
Saswick Member Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 875 Loc: Garstang, Preston, Lancashire,...	Hi Diki I did record all tracks dry as I mentioned before: The Voicelive is set up to output two harmony voices one left and one right to separate tracks on the Zoom. The Lead voice is muted in the VH. All effects in the VH are turned off. The effects in the VH are stereo so you get bleeding between the tracks if the are used, similarly the effects, for the same reason, in the Korg are turned off. All the effects are applied post recording using Cubase. The only problem with overdubbing the lead is I have to give the VH a signal to work with. At moment I am using the headphone output from the keyboard to generate the Harmonys. There is no output Buss on the zoom so I haven't figured out an easy way to do this. (Yet) I will try tweaking the reverb on the vocal tracks as you mentioned. Kind Regards Col
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