Hi everyone...

I'm very close to selling my 11 month year old PAX3...

I have been looking everywhere on the net for videos that play songs on the PAX3...I need some inspiration..

So many Tyros 4 vid's out there that play Western music..

Surely there are Pax3 western music out there?

I am really wanting to get a tyros 4..Or should I still give the Pax3 a crack?

Sorry for the sad post

If you are new to the KORG arena, it will be difficult to learn the PA3X,what are you looking to play on the keyboard? if it's midi files any keyboard will play them? you don't have to get a TYROS for that, now if you want some good styles? try looking for commercial sites that sell them.

'Western music' doesn't really narrow it down much, Matty. What 'kind' of western music? Funk? Rock? Rap? 50's rock and roll? Big band swing? Smooth jazz?

Anyway, if you need proof that the PA3X can sound amazing, try this:



My advice would be to not let the number of good web demos be your proof of whether something can sound great or not. It only takes ONE. The rest is up to you!

Thanks fore reply I think I will keep the Pax3....Western I mean like.....Beatles, Lady gaga...stuff that us people know.

Not European music...if that makes sense...haha

I will look out for some new styles...

This is the first time I hear Lady Gaga and Beatles in the same sentence.heheheh.
Beatles is European music.

Western music covers such a wide range of genres, it is almost meaningless to use it. From The Beatles, to Taylor Swift, from Bjørk to the Sex Pistols, from Pink Floyd to the Gap Band, there is too wide a range to lump it all together.

There is music that is sublime, and there is music that is pure excrement. And only YOU can define what fits into each category (we all have different tastes!).

I think your issue seems to revolve about what styles you can find for your PA3X, and there is the main thing. Perhaps telling us WHAT tunes you are trying to play, and getting the Korg users here to help you out with appropriate styles for it is your best bet..?

I assume from your brief dicsription (Beatles and Lady G) that you want pop/rock 60's -today. Still very broad... But I think your Korg might be the best choice for pop/rock.

There is already a lady gaga style in the PA3x. Korg has also released 64 free styles for the pa3x and most of them are for modern pop/dance music. Try also the older styles for the pa1x, pa80,pa2x the i series etc there are alot of styles out there.

It sounds like you are getting bored with yourself, you are forcing yourself to be inspired all the time like you were when you just bought your arranger. I recommend you stop playing for a while (of course if you are an amateur player) and start listening to the music you like, do something you enjoy doing then go back to your Pa3x.
This arranger is amazing. I also get inspiration from the Tyros'demonstrators because they are awesome but they would sound alike in any other good arranger.
When you return to your Pa3x search on YouTube the music you like and play along with the keyboard until you learn it, at first playing the melody later the chord and finally adding the proper style.
Korg style collection is not huge like the Yamaha but it is more versatile, you can easily add individual multipads in the style and also make a lot of them by copying from style parts.
Arrangers are inspirational at first but actually inspiration should arise from yourself and the music you listen.

There really is no such thing as a Lady Gaga 'style'. There might be ONE style that does a decent job of playing ONE Lady Gaga tune, but try playing any of the others on it..!

When we talk about well established, older 'styles' of music, let's say swing, or bigband, or 50's doo-wop, or 60's rock and roll, or Motown, or classic country, then yes, there were so many tunes done by artists of the day in a similar vein that one style could be used for quite a wide variety of different songs. But when you start dealing with contemporary pop stars, their songs and their music hasn't been out long enough for it to have a defined sound. No two Lady Gaga tunes are close enough for one style to work on.

I think, if you want to do a good job on up to date pop songs, you are likely to get your best results using SMF's, or even karaoke tracks. Mind you, nothing wrong with taking a pop tune from today and doing it in an older style. I heard a live version of Katy Perry doing 'I kissed a girl' in a slow, almost jazzy vein (at least for the first half of the song) and it was quite cool! (Don't tell anybody I said that!)

Nothing to stop you using existing styles to pull that off. That's part of the creativity you can do yourself, not letting other people inspire you, inspire yourself!

But a more detailed list of what tunes you find the hardest to do on your Korg would no doubt get many of the Korg players here telling you what THEY use for the song. Then the inspiration is up to you...!

There are several Beatles styles in the Musikant group. Korg even released a Gangnam style. Barf.
DonM

Thanks for your replies...

I should of given a little more detail.

Basically i want to watch others on there Pax3 playing songs I know. There is a lot of arabic and middle eastern type of songs on youtube. (Nothing wrong with that..some of it actually is cool) BUT I want to see more 40's, 60,'s 90's 2000's songs from the western world.

I am inspired now to learn and study the Pax3. It took me to the point that I had a buyer for my keyboard and it got me upset. So i'm not selling. Im going to stick with it...be creative and enjoy it.

Thanks for you help...I will keep posting with questions

since most Yamaha players are form US/UK/West EU and Asia , most of them will play western pop/rock/Jazz/Swing /Ballads 4/4s ( some 6/8s) in general. Since Yamaha has vast users for more than a decade ( mainly after introduction of cheaper yet 4 variation/4 fills psr 2000 and upwards) many styles and (intro /endings for most famous songs are already created for you to simple load and play.

Ofcousre mega voice and relatively new SA voices make harder for other manufactures to convert thousands of yamah styldes to their format.As i stated before in another post Yamaha has more styles athan any all manufactures combined.



Korg in the other hand has better sound editing/hardware/Seq/VH etc.Since TOTL Korgs have sampling , it's the arranger of choice for most east EU/balkan and mid east musicians. PSR A series still dont do well compared to lower PA series either.Better third party support, better drum ethic samples ,joystick, more complex time signatures like 9/8 are already wriien for Korgs since I3 era. But what I see with most western musicians using KORG are either singers ( better VH/use SMFs) / use it in a band for it's editing /realtime or in studio for editing/creating.

On the other hand, arranger players who love to plug and play without time to create new styles, who has busy schedule to play cover music find Yamahas unbeatable ( despite it's hardware, less features) . Someone somewhere will have the 90% of the styles that you need ( may need additional tweaking).Most styles are just one email away.If you play ARRANGER ONLY music it's hard to beat Yamaha ( for US/UK music).(4/4 8-16 beats ballads/Dance , etc).Add that to 3rd party compter software written for Yamaha such as Michael Bedesem's StyleUpdater program etc, the possibilties ( styles wise) are endless without investings hours and days for one style with mediocre results.

Plus all KORGs prior to PA3x ( and 600) only has 2 fills plus a break/no autofills/some hicupps in fills ( meaning I3 to PA 2x),making most legacy styles dont cut well compared to YAMAHA ( which is more than 10 years ahead ; PSR 740 (1999) had what PA 3x (2011) now has ( 4 fills and auto fill).Multi pads also relatively new in KORG compared to Yamaha ( with PA 1x).


My recommedation to you is this.Get a MOTL Yamaha ( PSR S710/750) or rent it out for a month. You can only decide then.

Since your gig location is HK ( I'm assuming) , like other east or south east asian countries , customers expect more top 40's /country/western songs ( Yamaha will do well without a sweat ). Lionel Richie/John Denver is bigger there compared to Stevie Wonder or Al Jarreau.



Go to KORG PA or even paid sites and compare this ( free to down load and can be used with your new MOTL arrangers).ALl with 4 variations and 4 fills.

http://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/psr-740.html

http://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/psr-9000Pro.html
http://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/psr-3000.html


http://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/Tyros3/tyros_3.html
The list goes on.






I would recommed you to go to PsR tutorial and ask questions ( Most players are US/Uk /Aussie/South African and some WEst EU / asian musicians.
Same is true for KORG ( most mid east /East EU musicians).

I think the PA3x has quite some decent styles for recent pop/rock music. I played it for more than a hour a few weeks ago. In my opinion, it's not the instrument that defines the boundaries of what is musically possible, but the player's creativity.

Best Regards,

Joost

Joost!

Your the man I keep watching on youtube for inspiration! That's why I wanted to get a Tyros 4 because you make it sound so good. But I have learnt now that its not the actual machine but the player. I have being spending a lot of time now on my Pax. It is sounding better!

Keep up the uploads Joost.

It has ALWAYS been the player primarily.

Bad players and demonstrators have managed to make every single arranger, including the TOTL Tyros4, PA3X and Audya's sound absolutely terrible..! On the other hand, we have also heard great demonstrators and players make them sound amazing.

If that doesn't illustrate my first point, I don't know what does!