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#365606 - 04/25/13 01:16 PM Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?..
Dnj Offline
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With the way things are going in the music industry what will become of arranger style music in 30 years when most of us are gone & baby boomers are no longer around to enjoy many of the styles of music most styles will produce versus what is out today and how its changing technology wise and electronically....
Will we be gone and arrangers be in the closets of our kid gathering dust? frown

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#365608 - 04/25/13 01:35 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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No, and the forum will live on....
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#365609 - 04/25/13 01:38 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Think of what was around 30 years ago. The very early versions of arrangers were here. But, we all played some form of keyboard...B-3, Rhodes Wurlitzer and other classics.

Whatever people use will be keyboard based. Some of us (read ME, if I'm around...forget that; I'd be 98)will STILL be playing B-3's and Rhodes, but all musicians will be playing whatever the latest improvement is.

That's the neat thing about being a musician.


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#365610 - 04/25/13 01:41 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Organ Societies in the uk seem to be folding. I think the Arranger needs to have that wow factor not some cheesy song being played by a demonstrator if its to appeal to younger generation.
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#365621 - 04/25/13 06:57 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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I won't care because I won't be here. Like most of you, I've never been a trend setter, just a follower. In 30 years I'll be 93. I'll be happy just to find my way to the buffet.

Joe tired
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#365626 - 04/25/13 07:52 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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#365627 - 04/25/13 08:35 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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#365631 - 04/25/13 10:10 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: tony mads usa]
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2033.... surprised

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#365634 - 04/26/13 12:55 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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No, but they will turn into a computerized something...
smile To be honest, I would've thought the software arranger were already more present even now. Surely they will be in the future.
So, I don't think will be obsolete except for the form we know it today.
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#365639 - 04/26/13 02:53 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Hey in 2033 you can probably buy a totl now T4, pa3x, audya for $5. Bucks...at a garage sale... Lol

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#365641 - 04/26/13 05:41 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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In 20 years there will probably be keyboard instruments that do things we can't even imagine today. That might include playing or reproducing any style of music to that point in time, provide full synth and workstation capability as well as offering a user interface with voice command or some other to be determined way to interface. What we call Arranger will still be there only more powerful. We may see a keyboard that can be instantly configured to perform in many different ways as different types of memory become available and affordable. That will go hand in hand with new sampling technology that will allow even more accurate voices. Also maybe even keybeds themselves whose feel, touch and response can be selected. And all this will most likely be in a keyboard that is very light and easy to carry. Just my guess for the future.
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#365642 - 04/26/13 05:49 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Hey in 2033 you can probably buy a totl now T4, pa3x, audya for $5. Bucks...at a garage sale... Lol


That's exactly what I did! In 2007 I bought a 1981 $10,000 Yamaha D85 organ for $500. I know you can also get one for even less.
In 30 years (it will be 2043) wood will be so scarce that I will sell it at $20,000 smile


Edited by vagro (04/26/13 05:51 AM)
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#365643 - 04/26/13 06:26 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Hey in 2033 you can probably buy a totl now T4, pa3x, audya for $5. Bucks...at a garage sale... Lol




The Yamaha and Korg will be worth nothing....recycled plastic is worthless...but the Ketron will be worth a few bucks ..scrap metal will always bring a buck.. smile
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#365645 - 04/26/13 06:55 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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I really hope that we’ll still have arranger keyboards in 30 years. By then I’ll hopefully have retired from my day job and be able to dedicate myself fully to my music. I aspire to be like so many of my SZ brethren who are in their 70’s and still gigging. Guys like Hammer, Gary, Don M, Tony, Bernie, Joe, Donny, Uncle Dave, Chass, Fran and Russ are my heroes! I hope to be just like you guys when I grow up! smile
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#365647 - 04/26/13 07:05 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Another interesting question might be “will we be able to effectively perform on a current day arranger keyboard 30 years from now? “

Assuming the instrument is still functioning, I think you could still put on a great performance in the future on a current day instrument. Sure, there will be much better options, it will sound dated but in the hand’s a good musician, the instrument is not that important. It’s what comes out…
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#365652 - 04/26/13 07:21 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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dated is an understatement Paul... oldies will be the MUSIC OF TODAY on an arranger you be the judge....if you ain't playing the songs of TODAY now, .... 30 years from now will be even more electronic created by computer, loops, tracks, etc, etc, and stuff not even invented yet. babies today wanna hear what they grew up with in the next 30 years I can see using a Controller KB's with some kind of VST programs in the furure but Arranger Styles "as we know them" will be a thing of the past like the 8-track tape IMO.

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#365663 - 04/26/13 09:23 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: montunoman]
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Originally Posted By: montunoman
I really hope that we’ll still have arranger keyboards in 30 years. By then I’ll hopefully have retired from my day job and be able to dedicate myself fully to my music. I aspire to be like so many of my SZ brethren who are in their 70’s and still gigging. Guys like Hammer, Gary, Don M, Tony, Bernie, Joe, Donny, Uncle Dave, Chass, Fran and Russ are my heroes! I hope to be just like you guys when I grow up! smile


He called me a HERO !!! ... bow
and I want to be just like those guys when I grow up too !!! ... rotfl
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#365664 - 04/26/13 09:32 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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I wanna be a SUPER Hero! But I am NOT 70. Yet.
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#365673 - 04/26/13 10:43 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: DonM]
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Originally Posted By: DonM
I wanna be a SUPER Hero! But I am NOT 70. Yet.
smile
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Me too!!!!! I am only a week in front of Don.. smile
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#365676 - 04/26/13 11:56 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Wow! It's nice to be in that category. smile I just read something, though, that may make the category mute. "If you don't grow up by age 50, then you don't have to." My wife said I never grew up.

Cheers,

Gary cool
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#365678 - 04/26/13 12:26 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Fran Carango]
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Our good friend Rory Hoffman was a demonstrator for the Marcodi instrument a few years ago. Had a chance to invest in the company and didn't. Rory is seen on several UTube postings playing the hell out of the thing.

Interesting concept.


I feel that there will be things available in 30 years we can't even imagine today.

But there will still be room for interpretation, talent and self-expression...a BIG PART of what being a musician is all about.

R.

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#365679 - 04/26/13 12:33 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: captain Russ]
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While I'm at it, I'd like to thank Paul...always good contributions...ENTIRELY TOO KIND TO OLD PEOPLE (LOL), but otherwise, a class act all the way.

Thanks, friend,

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#365682 - 04/26/13 01:13 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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#365684 - 04/26/13 01:41 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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We all Die a little more each day,....But in 30 yrs from now you'll feel young today if you make it... wink


I gotta run have my Mickey Mantle #7 Shirt on going to perform at a Baseball themed Dinner & Dance this evening should be a blast! cool2


Edited by Dnj (04/26/13 01:48 PM)

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#365686 - 04/26/13 02:09 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Hey, old folks! Don't worry, with "youngsters" like Paul (Montunoman) around, the "Zone" will be "alive and well" long after us "oldsters" are gone.

I called him an hour or so ago. You would be hard pressed to find a friendlier, more articulate person, who is also a passionate and talented musician. I'm sure he's a great teacher, much loved by his students.

In spite of the "naysayers" out there, young, passionate players are in abundance and will "tear it up" long after we're gone, using whatever technology has produced in terms of instruments.

I'm a traditionalist, so picking up a phone and calling someone out of the blue you only know from the internet is a
pleasure....today certainly was.


Thanks, Paul,


Your friend,


Russ (speak up, ya whippersnapper (LOL) Lay

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#365725 - 04/28/13 07:09 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Where in the hell is my flying car that I was told in the 50's that I would be driving around in the 80's. Some even said we'd all have helicopters by then.

Don't be surprised if they just progress to the point of having as good a sequencer as my i30.

Without a good sequencer I would have to play my sax with records, mp3's or whatever.

I'm tickled that I'm not into high tech. I wish they wouldn't have invented computers until I would have died. They probably are really bad for all you old farts with high blood pressure. LOL!
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#365751 - 04/29/13 01:57 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: brickboo]
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Originally Posted By: brickboo
Where in the hell is my flying car that I was told in the 50's that I would be driving around in the 80's.


So you thought you were gonna become George Jetson?

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#365760 - 04/29/13 06:29 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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Jeez, Nige. Now you've let Boo's dirty little secret out. smile

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#365766 - 04/29/13 08:24 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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#365767 - 04/29/13 08:42 AM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Jerry T]
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Probably right, Jerry!


R.

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#365794 - 04/29/13 04:17 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: captain Russ]
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I have "observed" the keyboard room at the new GC near me and have seen young kids (under 25) Buying controllers, and young tweenage females, accompanied by parents, testing and picking out electric pianos. Nobody bothers with the arrangers ,then again they don't stock anything decent. The guy there says controllers are all the rage, eclipsing synth/workstation sales. And his opinion was the arranger market has dwindled...
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#365796 - 04/29/13 04:25 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: sparky589]
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Originally Posted By: sparky589
I have "observed" the keyboard room at the new GC near me and have seen young kids (under 25) Buying controllers, and young tweenage females, accompanied by parents, testing and picking out electric pianos. Nobody bothers with the arrangers ,then again they don't stock anything decent. The guy there says controllers are all the rage, eclipsing synth/workstation sales. And his opinion was the arranger market has dwindled...





Sparky, GC like many other stores, lack know how in the arranger keyboard market..they have no clue...Frankie and George are not the average dealers..
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#365798 - 04/29/13 05:13 PM Re: Will Arranger KB Music be OBSOLETE in 30 Years?.. [Re: Dnj]
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styles might have ran their course and we will come full circle in my opinion using computer recording programs and controller keyboards to create music and then play on to play on top of it with any keyboard or any instrument you like........


Edited by Dnj (04/29/13 05:17 PM)

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