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#361550 - 02/17/13 11:00 AM S950 VH2 test demo 1
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I finally got a little time to work with the S950 VH2 processor, it is certainly a improvement over VH1 & has many parterres to adjust and choices of harmony. Here is a few very short early tests I recorded right into the on board Audio player. The process continues to get just what I'm looking for and I am confident that with some effort a decent mix for my needs can be attained with VH2 for sure. Its not as good as my TC Helicon as my PA3x was but,... surly a vast improvement over VH1 in my older units S900/S910/ to be continued.



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VH2 demo2.mp3 (99 downloads)



Edited by Dnj (02/17/13 11:10 AM)

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#361554 - 02/17/13 12:06 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Here is a few very short early tests I recorded right into the on board Audio player.


Well, they CERTAINLY were short ... wink
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#361555 - 02/17/13 12:10 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By: tony mads usa
Originally Posted By: Dnj
Here is a few very short early tests I recorded right into the on board Audio player.


Well, they CERTAINLY were short ... wink


Tony, the word "TEST" only has 4 letters.. wink

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#361556 - 02/17/13 12:12 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Sounded pretty darned good, Donny.

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#361558 - 02/17/13 12:53 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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I will have to take your word...it is better than the PSR2100 smile

I would need to hear you turning on and off, and in a couple different modes...What I heard..better wait for HV3 grin
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#361564 - 02/17/13 04:50 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
Sounded pretty darned good, Donny.

Gary cool


Gary thanx your gonna love it!! keys

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#361570 - 02/17/13 06:06 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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You're right Donny, definitely not as good as the TC in Korgs. It sounded robotic to me.

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#361574 - 02/17/13 06:46 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: 124]
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You're right Donny, definitely not as good as the TC in Korgs. It sounded robotic to me.


It is what it is........the Vh2 tracking although very usable lacks the sofisticated tracking abilities of the TC Helicon.

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#361576 - 02/17/13 07:10 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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You got some highs EQ'd onto all this, Donny..? Sounds kind of thin and crispy (the whole thing, not just the VH).

Got to admit, not sure why anyone wants an arranger with the VH built in... Korg is sort of OK, G70 VH is barely acceptable, but ANY of the modern standalone VH's are so much better...

JMO, as usual!
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#361577 - 02/17/13 07:18 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Diki just a quick test.....your point of view well taken.

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#361588 - 02/17/13 09:16 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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They sounded really nice Donny. I am having great results using mine.

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#361596 - 02/17/13 11:27 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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I think the overall mix needs some mids. Harmony sounds pretty good. It lags behind PA3X but is very usable.
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#361601 - 02/18/13 01:06 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: DonM]
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Here's an example recorded with the TC Helicon Voicelive Touch and the Pa600.

https://www.box.com/s/qvayuqr2teocgrbdh6iy

Col


Edited by Saswick (02/18/13 01:06 AM)

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#361611 - 02/18/13 05:44 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Saswick]
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Originally Posted By: Saswick
Here's an example recorded with the TC Helicon Voicelive Touch and the Pa600.

https://www.box.com/s/qvayuqr2teocgrbdh6iy

Col


Col great song I do it all the time especially last week during Valentines week,........the TC Helicon units certainly have a more robust quality sound & positive tracking abilities that I am very aware of as I have used them extensively.... then the Yamaha units VH1,VH2.
thank you for your comparison demo appreciate it. Would love to also hear a Roland G70 & Ketron Audya 5 version also from someone to compare also.
For me regarding VH units on keyboards of any kind
"Less is More"


Edited by Dnj (02/18/13 05:46 AM)

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#361615 - 02/18/13 06:20 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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http://francarango.homestead.com/You_and_I.mp3



Here is a recording using the G70 harmonizer (Vocoder mode)...
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#361616 - 02/18/13 06:46 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Fran Carango]
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Fran what a great song on of the classic Duet ballads, years ago so many people got married with this song I've done it so many times myself with my band & duos.........I took the liberty of Eq'ing it a bit so I could clearly hear the VH quality a bit better on the G70 also was a bit muddled for my ears..

Thanx for sharing great stuff....I'm impressed at all the demos people are starting to post here on the SZ....makes for a much more pleasurable experience then just talk talk talk...I enjoy listening to everything. headphone


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#361618 - 02/18/13 06:58 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Here's an example of the TC Helicon Harmony-M fired through the PSR-3000's vocal processor.

https://www.box.com/files/0/f/0/1/f_1052275600

The recording was done using the Zoom H2 which was not wired directly to the keyboard. It was sitting on a chair near the Bose L1 Compact. At the time I was just recording performances to determine if I could make improvements.

Gary cool


Edited by travlin'easy (02/18/13 07:05 AM)
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#361621 - 02/18/13 07:03 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
Here's an example of the TC Helicon Harmony-M fired through the PSR-3000's vocal processor.

https://www.box.com/s/1c20199660b3f09ed8fb

Gary cool


Gary KILLER SONG!! Garth Brooks one of my favorites......clap
Sounds wonderful thru the Psr3000,....I can see why you really don't need a S950. cool2 Nice use of the VH1 also.

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#361626 - 02/18/13 07:34 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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I think the big mistake everybody makes with VH machines is over-use of the 3 note harmony. You listen to most pop music, and most of the time, it is only ONE part on top of the melody (or underneath it, or jumping from above to below!), or at most, one voice above, one voice below.

Going for the big Carpenter's sound is something done rarely. Or at least, far less than the simple stuff.

TBH, most arrangers don't offer the kinds of control I would want to use if VH was a part of my act (it isn't!). I would like easy footswitch control of whether the harmony part was above or below me (on the fly) and an easy way to go from one part to two and back (and off) without taking my hands off the keyboard.

But big block harmonies that drone on and on is such a dead giveaway of a nasty VH! Less is more...
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#361627 - 02/18/13 07:34 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Donny, I am wondering if we hear different because of our monitors or headphones...I know you always cut bass ..where I always think it is fine...

After your eqing I loss the more live sound ..at least on my best headphones..

Anyone else have an opinion about the EQ?
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#361628 - 02/18/13 07:38 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Oh, and BTW... guys! Give that vocal reverb a rest! It muddies you up more than it disguises any pitch problems.

Don't forget, for YOU, you are hearing your head sound (dry as a bone) as well as the artificial reverb. So, for YOU, that extra dry component might make you think that the reverb is about right. But your audience (and a recording) doesn't hear your head voice. All they get is the drowned out sound.

Usually, if YOU think that you are just a bit too dry, out front it's usually just about right!
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#361629 - 02/18/13 07:41 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Fran Carango]
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Originally Posted By: Fran Carango
Donny, I am wondering if we hear different because of our monitors or headphones...I know you always cut bass ..where I always think it is fine...

After your eqing I loss the more live sound ..at least on my best headphones..

Anyone else have an opinion about the EQ?


Fran you can only eq so much of the original recording....this eq was only to let me hear the vocals a bit clearer not a master Mix...... and yes too much bass is so over used by many drowning out so much detail in songs especially live bands.JMO

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#361631 - 02/18/13 07:49 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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About EQ.... personally, I am pretty happy trusting the factory flat settings as the best jumping off place for a good recording. Only change it from there if you make a recording and it sounds bad.

Your biggest problem with EQ on globally is that, yes, a bit more sparkle might help your vocal, or brighten up a flat piano sound... But, at the same time, it turns your hi-hats into a nasty sibilant presence, makes your snare drum louder, all kinds of nasty things.

You are usually best served leaving the EQ off, and addressing each individual problem in isolation. If the piano needs brightening, do it on the piano part ONLY! If your vocal wants a hair more presence, do it on the vocal channel EQ (and don't forget, vocal presence EQ isn't up there in the 16kHz range!). But if you EQ the entire mix, you are usually creating as many problems as you are solving.

One last little trick I always do to a mix... Listen with the sound turned down VERY low! When you get your mix down that quiet, it is pretty easy to hear if one component is popping out too much, or getting lost. Turned up, you'll tend to be able to hear everything, but way down, and the balance becomes much more apparent.

Hope this helps.
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#361634 - 02/18/13 08:01 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Diki]
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About EQ.... personally, I am pretty happy trusting the factory flat settings as the best jumping off place for a good recording. Only change it from there if you make a recording and it sounds bad.

Your biggest problem with EQ on globally is that, yes, a bit more sparkle might help your vocal, or brighten up a flat piano sound... But, at the same time, it turns your hi-hats into a nasty sibilant presence, makes your snare drum louder, all kinds of nasty things.

You are usually best served leaving the EQ off, and addressing each individual problem in isolation. If the piano needs brightening, do it on the piano part ONLY! If your vocal wants a hair more presence, do it on the vocal channel EQ (and don't forget, vocal presence EQ isn't up there in the 16kHz range!). But if you EQ the entire mix, you are usually creating as many problems as you are solving.

One last little trick I always do to a mix... Listen with the sound turned down VERY low! When you get your mix down that quiet, it is pretty easy to hear if one component is popping out too much, or getting lost. Turned up, you'll tend to be able to hear everything, but way down, and the balance becomes much more apparent.

Hope this helps.


Diki why not take a shot at Eq'ing Frans original posted recording just for fun would love to hear your mix.

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#361638 - 02/18/13 08:09 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
TBH, most arrangers don't offer the kinds of control I would want to use if VH was a part of my act (it isn't!). I would like easy footswitch control of whether the harmony part was above or below me (on the fly) and an easy way to go from one part to two and back (and off) without taking my hands off the keyboard.



Diki:

Point 1: It's difficult to kid the audience when you are stood in front with the VH in full veiw. I always make a joke about having my backing singers in a box because of the exorbitant cost of real ones.

Point 2: The Voicelive Touch has 5 favorites which you can set up any way you wish and select instantly on the fly, no different than selecting different voices, variations or performances on the keyboard. Apart from the favorites you can also switch up to four voices of harmony plus doubling in and out as you wish.

Point 3: In my book it's a lot easier with a touch screen than a foot switch at least you don't have to look down to make changes.

Perhaps it's time to try some more up to date equipment, they say that Dinosaur's became extinct because they did not change. LOL

Col

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#361668 - 02/18/13 09:27 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Dinosaurs became extinct because a meteorite or comet wiped them out. They were doing just fine (and had outlived mammals by an order of magnitude!) until then. Perhaps you read about this? rolleyes

You kind of made my point with the VoiceLive thing. Nothing like that on an arranger VH.

And, coming from an organ background, having 25 pedals at my feet and being able to play basslines without looking (honestly... do you look at your feet when you play a piano? LOL), a few buttons to do hands free arranger operation is hardly a feat of extraordinary skill! (Feat... get it?!)

Perhaps it's time to watch the Science channel more often?

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#361669 - 02/18/13 09:30 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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OH, and Point 1... You are kidding the audience that a full band is inside your arranger? It's not exactly stretching them to say the vocalists are in there too!

That's kind of the whole thing about OMB's. Nobody thinks for one minute you are doing it all by yourself... The hard part is convincing them you are doing anything at all!
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#361670 - 02/18/13 09:39 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Diki]
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OH, and Point 1... You are kidding the audience that a full band is inside your arranger? It's not exactly stretching them to say the vocalists are in there too!

That's kind of the whole thing about OMB's. Nobody thinks for one minute you are doing it all by yourself... The hard part is convincing them you are doing anything at all!


lol hey you two ...is this what they call English Humor?.. rotf2


Edited by Dnj (02/18/13 09:39 AM)

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#361675 - 02/18/13 10:06 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Originally Posted By: Diki
OH, and Point 1... You are kidding the audience that a full band is inside your arranger? It's not exactly stretching them to say the vocalists are in there too!

That's kind of the whole thing about OMB's. Nobody thinks for one minute you are doing it all by yourself... The hard part is convincing them you are doing anything at all!


lol hey you two ...is this what they call English Humor?.. rotf2


One of the things I try to do once during the first hour of any performance is to somewhat educate the audience as to what I'm actually doing and those sounds are emitted from the system.

I usually say something along these lines "I know it's hard to believe, but yes, it's really me playing and really me singing. And, when you hear harmony, it's still me, and I'm singing with me and me." At this point I usually fire up the keyboard and turn off everything other than the right hand voice, which for demonstration purposes, is the grand piano. I then go into a rendition of As Time Goes By. After the first verse, I kick on some style-accompaniment parts, then kick on the vocal harmony. They love it, but ironically, some of them still don't seem to comprehend what we're up there doing. In the middle of a song, while you're singing and comping with your right had and changing chords with the left hand, there's always someone that comes up, tries to strike up a conversation, then tries to lean on the Bose speaker tower as if it were a leaning post. And, I'm not talkin' about nursing home residents - this happens with the young and dumb set in restaurant and nite-club settings.

As for British humor, what ever happened to Tony Hughes? I haven't seen his name on the forum for quite some time. Same holds true for Scott Yee, and I really miss Ian The Voice Of Reason.

Cheers,

Gary cool
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#361676 - 02/18/13 10:10 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj

lol hey you two ...is this what they call English Humor?.. rotf2


... speaking of ... what's happened to Tony Hughes???
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#361680 - 02/18/13 10:27 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Hughsie? Probably taking tea with Her Majesty. smile

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#361700 - 02/18/13 01:04 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: tony mads usa]
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#361703 - 02/18/13 01:09 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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#361704 - 02/18/13 01:11 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Getting confused, Donny? Welcome to the SZ general arranger forum!

No thread too sacrosanct, no point important enough to stay on topic..!

Not that you have EVER been guilty of that, have you? LOL
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#361716 - 02/18/13 02:49 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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... who was the one who asked abut English humor??? wink

Originally Posted By: Dnj


lol hey you two ...is this what they call English Humor?.. rotf2
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#361718 - 02/18/13 02:55 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy

One of the things I try to do once during the first hour of any performance is to somewhat educate the audience as to what I'm actually doing and those sounds are emitted from the system.

I usually say something along these lines "I know it's hard to believe, but yes, it's really me playing and really me singing. And, when you hear harmony, it's still me, and I'm singing with me and me." At this point I usually fire up the keyboard and turn off everything other than the right hand voice, which for demonstration purposes, is the grand piano. I then go into a rendition of As Time Goes By. After the first verse, I kick on some style-accompaniment parts, then kick on the vocal harmony. They love it, but ironically, some of them still don't seem to comprehend what we're up there doing. In the middle of a song, while you're singing and comping with your right had and changing chords with the left hand, there's always someone that comes up, tries to strike up a conversation, then tries to lean on the Bose speaker tower as if it were a leaning post. And, I'm not talkin' about nursing home residents - this happens with the young and dumb set in restaurant and nite-club settings.

As for British humor, what ever happened to Tony Hughes? I haven't seen his name on the forum for quite some time. Same holds true for Scott Yee, and I really miss Ian The Voice Of Reason.

Cheers,

Gary cool


I usually wait until:
1) someone comes up and asks if I "have such and such song in there" and tell them "if not in here (pointing to my head), it's not in there..."
2) someone actually asks about the kb and then I show how the rhythm just keeps playing the same thing unless I
play something ...

PS ...Gary, stop asking about people and trying to hi-jack this thread !!! ... rotfl



Edited by tony mads usa (02/18/13 03:00 PM)
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#361720 - 02/18/13 03:02 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
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... who was the one who asked abut English humor??? wink

Originally Posted By: Dnj


lol hey you two ...is this what they call English Humor?.. rotf2

Thank you, Mr. Mads. At least you get it.

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#361731 - 02/18/13 03:49 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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#361741 - 02/18/13 07:38 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules. You want rules or communication?
British Humor? Isn't that like Jumbo Shrimp?
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#361743 - 02/18/13 08:24 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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#361746 - 02/18/13 09:16 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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I agree with the point about less is more. Cut the reverb and simplifiy the harmony. When you hear many of the pop country tunes, for example, it seems there's one primary harmony line singing a third above or below the melody. For example, many of the George Strait hits or what's-his-name Jackson. And, many others as well. Now, if you're doing a Manhattan Transfer song, that's something else.

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#361750 - 02/18/13 10:58 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Probably 99 % of my harmony use is a third above, either male or female gender.
Yes, I do not use it to full extent, but as mentioned, a little is better than too much.
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#361751 - 02/18/13 11:24 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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I'm more of the Everly Bros. school of harmony way of thinking. Harmonies are as important as the main voice. Basically, if your VH can't stand up to that close a scrutiny, don't use it!

You probably have a much harder time wearing out the one male above preset than the big block Carpenters patch. I wouldn't dream of using that... just on a bit of one or two songs a night, tops!
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#361756 - 02/19/13 04:47 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: J. Larry]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By: J. Larry
I agree with the point about less is more. Cut the reverb and simplifiy the harmony. When you hear many of the pop country tunes, for example, it seems there's one primary harmony line singing a third above or below the melody. For example, many of the George Strait hits or what's-his-name Jackson. And, many others as well. Now, if you're doing a Manhattan Transfer song, that's something else.


There are no VH rules.....just use what is WHEN warranted for the type of song,.....being a good singer is essential also...
now can we stop talking & fantasizing and post some short
Vocal Harmony demos to compare instead from different keyboards? confused1


Edited by Dnj (02/19/13 05:16 AM)

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#361757 - 02/19/13 05:11 AM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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What Donny said!
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#361796 - 02/19/13 03:07 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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I love the Everly Bros, but I also love the Mills Brothers, and the Beach Boys, and the Four Aces, and Manhattan Transfer, and MANY more full vocal harmony groups. That's the sound I go after. It's easy to get on extra voice, but to sing like the Lettermen or Four Freshman takes a different approach. That's my favorite use of the harmonizer ... always has been, and my audiences love it.
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#361797 - 02/19/13 03:16 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Dave
I love the Everly Bros, but I also love the Mills Brothers, and the Beach Boys, and the Four Aces, and Manhattan Transfer, and MANY more full vocal harmony groups. That's the sound I go after. It's easy to get on extra voice, but to sing like the Lettermen or Four Freshman takes a different approach. That's my favorite use of the harmonizer ... always has been, and my audiences love it.
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Exactly Dave, when done correctly like we do it wink .....
but we already know that! cool2

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#361811 - 02/19/13 07:28 PM Re: S950 VH2 test demo 1 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
now can we stop talking & fantasizing and post some short
Vocal Harmony demos to compare instead from different keyboards? confused1


Who's this 'we', Donny? You going to include yourself for a change? keys
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